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I think more and more people are tired of having their jobs, educations, and social activities toyed with like they are trivial things.

kimmeld 6y ago
Social activities are most certainly trivial when compared to a pandemic. Right now my kid’s school is starting remote only primarily because teenagers and early 20’s somethings couldn’t stop going to parties over the summer. Actions have consequences.
- m0zg 6y ago
  And we'll all be paying for reduced quality of education of these kids for the rest of our lives. In my son's school, the only requirement to get an "A" last semester was to turn in _any homework at all_, doesn't matter if it's complete or correct - nobody checked. There are now a lot of "A" students.
- showdeadtest 6y ago
  I think we see the consequences of a plan that is idealistic and unrealistic. I don’t believe any amount of moral handwringing and shouting is going to make it work.
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- duud 6y ago
  What about when social isolation is linked to suicide? https://www.amhf.org.au/social_isolation_increases_male_suicide_risk_says_amhf https://www.amhf.org.au/social_isolation_increases_male_suic...
roughly 6y ago
Nobody thinks those things are trivial, but they do think stopping the pandemic is more important. If I told you to leave your house because it was on fire, would you accuse me of trivializing your daily routine?
- eanzenberg 6y ago
  False equivalence
  - distrill 6y ago
    how/why? it's exaggerated to make a point but it's not altogether wrong
    - eanzenberg 6y ago
      If your house burning down meant 0.3% chance of death and no property damage then sure, its the same.
      - throwout_covid 6y ago
        You're super confident of your number stats while this disease is still not clearly understood. You should see that as a problem.
      - roughly 6y ago
        You know, your house being on fire doesn't necessarily mean it's going to burn down. Quick response from firefighters can really do a lot to reduce the amount of long-term damage. Sure, you'll have some water damage to deal with, but that's manageable too. Of course, if you just arse around in the house and don't get out of the goddamn way of the firefighters, it's gonna be a hell of a lot harder to put out the fire and I imagine there's gonna be a lot more damage before all's said and done.
- showdeadtest 6y ago
  It’s more like somebody else’s house is on fire, I thought my taxes paid for firefighters, but it turns out those firefighters never bothered to purchase firefighting equipment, so you’re forcing me to spend months putting out other people’s fires using cups of water from my own kitchen while firefighters shout on TV that this is the only possible way things can be.
zozin 6y ago
The lock downs were premised upon preventing hospital systems from being overwhelmed. We accomplished that relatively easily, at least in the United States. However, politicians and bureaucrats, unwilling to let a good crisis go to waste, have moved the goalposts so much that now the unspoken policy seems to be that a single infection/death is anathema and that everything should be done to prevent it. I don't remember giving my elected officials the authority to pursue such extreme policies, especially based on incomplete science. Scientists didn't realize the virus mutated until months after the mutated version was the predominantly spreading version. They waffled on masks and even know there's evidence to suggest that masks can cause more harm because people do not use them properly (they are not washed enough/at all, they are constantly fiddled with (i.e., people touch their face), etc.). Now the latest excuse to extend the lock downs indefinitely is maybe, just maybe a C-19 infection may have long-term negative health externalities. Mind you, this is all being pushed by the privileged few who have home offices with webcams and fast Internet, food and groceries delivered on a whim, and a Peleton in their home gym. The whole situation is preposterous; it's like we're living in a Monty Python skit.
- _coveredInBees 6y ago
  Your views seem completely detached from reality. The only reason hospital systems were not overwhelmed was due to the continued lockdown + social distancing policies. Every state that went ahead and tried to ignore reality and open up for business rapidly found itself facing the very same issue again with hospitals being near full and in some cases having to turn away patients. Some sources: https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronavirus_coverage/texas-and-arizona-er-doctors-say-they-are-losing-hope-as-hospitals-reach-capacity/article_a1dc765c-c1ec-11ea-a6db-cb325aca038d.html https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronaviru... https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-hits-record-high-hospital-capacity-coronavirus-cases-climb-1511578 https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-hits-record-high-hospital-c... So no, the lockdown isn't some moving goalpost made by politicians gone wild. It is an unfortunate necessity given the abject failure of the federal administration and many states in managing a very serious public health crisis.
  - base698 6y ago

kimmeld 6y ago

Social activities are most certainly trivial when compared to a pandemic. Right now my kid’s school is starting remote only primarily because teenagers and early 20’s somethings couldn’t stop going to parties over the summer. Actions have consequences.

m0zg 6y ago
And we'll all be paying for reduced quality of education of these kids for the rest of our lives. In my son's school, the only requirement to get an "A" last semester was to turn in _any homework at all_, doesn't matter if it's complete or correct - nobody checked. There are now a lot of "A" students.
showdeadtest 6y ago
I think we see the consequences of a plan that is idealistic and unrealistic. I don’t believe any amount of moral handwringing and shouting is going to make it work.
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duud 6y ago
What about when social isolation is linked to suicide? https://www.amhf.org.au/social_isolation_increases_male_suicide_risk_says_amhf https://www.amhf.org.au/social_isolation_increases_male_suic...

roughly 6y ago

Nobody thinks those things are trivial, but they do think stopping the pandemic is more important. If I told you to leave your house because it was on fire, would you accuse me of trivializing your daily routine?

eanzenberg 6y ago
False equivalence
- distrill 6y ago
  how/why? it's exaggerated to make a point but it's not altogether wrong
  - eanzenberg 6y ago
    If your house burning down meant 0.3% chance of death and no property damage then sure, its the same.
    - throwout_covid 6y ago
      You're super confident of your number stats while this disease is still not clearly understood. You should see that as a problem.
    - roughly 6y ago
      You know, your house being on fire doesn't necessarily mean it's going to burn down. Quick response from firefighters can really do a lot to reduce the amount of long-term damage. Sure, you'll have some water damage to deal with, but that's manageable too. Of course, if you just arse around in the house and don't get out of the goddamn way of the firefighters, it's gonna be a hell of a lot harder to put out the fire and I imagine there's gonna be a lot more damage before all's said and done.
showdeadtest 6y ago
It’s more like somebody else’s house is on fire, I thought my taxes paid for firefighters, but it turns out those firefighters never bothered to purchase firefighting equipment, so you’re forcing me to spend months putting out other people’s fires using cups of water from my own kitchen while firefighters shout on TV that this is the only possible way things can be.

zozin 6y ago

The lock downs were premised upon preventing hospital systems from being overwhelmed. We accomplished that relatively easily, at least in the United States. However, politicians and bureaucrats, unwilling to let a good crisis go to waste, have moved the goalposts so much that now the unspoken policy seems to be that a single infection/death is anathema and that everything should be done to prevent it. I don't remember giving my elected officials the authority to pursue such extreme policies, especially based on incomplete science. Scientists didn't realize the virus mutated until months after the mutated version was the predominantly spreading version. They waffled on masks and even know there's evidence to suggest that masks can cause more harm because people do not use them properly (they are not washed enough/at all, they are constantly fiddled with (i.e., people touch their face), etc.). Now the latest excuse to extend the lock downs indefinitely is maybe, just maybe a C-19 infection may have long-term negative health externalities. Mind you, this is all being pushed by the privileged few who have home offices with webcams and fast Internet, food and groceries delivered on a whim, and a Peleton in their home gym. The whole situation is preposterous; it's like we're living in a Monty Python skit.

_coveredInBees 6y ago
Your views seem completely detached from reality. The only reason hospital systems were not overwhelmed was due to the continued lockdown + social distancing policies. Every state that went ahead and tried to ignore reality and open up for business rapidly found itself facing the very same issue again with hospitals being near full and in some cases having to turn away patients. Some sources: https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronavirus_coverage/texas-and-arizona-er-doctors-say-they-are-losing-hope-as-hospitals-reach-capacity/article_a1dc765c-c1ec-11ea-a6db-cb325aca038d.html https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronaviru... https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-hits-record-high-hospital-capacity-coronavirus-cases-climb-1511578 https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-hits-record-high-hospital-c... So no, the lockdown isn't some moving goalpost made by politicians gone wild. It is an unfortunate necessity given the abject failure of the federal administration and many states in managing a very serious public health crisis.
- base698 6y ago