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We will have to agree to disagree. I’m American and all I’ve ever seen from Iran is people chanting for my death and the death of the people I love. I was born

We will have to agree to disagree. I’m American and all I’ve ever seen from Iran is people chanting for my death and the death of the people I love. I was born in the 90s and had no bearing on foreign policy. If sanctions prevents Iran from accomplishing those goals then I personally will consider that a good thing.

notsureaboutpg 6y ago
I mean the USA shot down an Iranian passenger plane killing all the civilians inside it. The USA sanctioned medical supplies from a country battling a pandemic. The USA armed Saddam Hussein to invade and fight a decade long war with Iran. The US has been consistently trying to destroy the nation of Iran. Iran holds demonstrations calling for the destruction of America but they never fought the US in any kind of war. When 9/11 happened, they were one of the only countries in the Middle East to have nationwide moments of silence and prayers for victims in America. Iran also has been one of the biggest fighters of ISIS in Iraq. They are able to mobilize civilian volunteers in Iraq in a way any other organization would envy. It's really crazy how much reality you have to ignore to believe there is any justification for US sanctions on Iran or to justify why you think Iranians should not be angry at the US
techer 6y ago
Chanting for your death? Source please..
- plandis 6y ago
  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-usa-embassy/iranians-chant-death-to-america-to-mark-u-s-embassy-seizure-idUSKBN1XE0KK https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-usa-embassy/iranians... Just do a google search there are many many instances.
boudin 6y ago
First, not all Iranian people are chanting your death. This is the propaganda from both sides that says that. Sanctions currently have the effect at making people in Iran even more dependant of the government, and plays well into the Iranian government propaganda.
- plandis 6y ago
  > First, not all Iranian people are chanting your death. Yeah I have no problem with your average Iranian. But the Iranian government routinely organizes protests where people are literally calling for the death of Americans. Sanctions also have the benefit of preventing the Iranian government and their terrorist revolutionary guard from harming Americans as well as they could without sanctions.
  - Udik 6y ago
    > the Iranian government routinely organizes protests where people are literally calling for the death of Americans. Literally is the keyword here, because the translation "death to something" is just the literal mistranslation of the Iranian idiom meaning "down with something". As if someone believed that when you say "I'd die for a beer" you really meant it.
  - erklik 6y ago
    > But the Iranian government routinely organizes protests where people are literally calling for the death of Americans. I mean wouldn't you? If Iran had toppled the US government, installed a puppet, and routinely muddled in your affairs for decades essentially making sure that you are unable to progress in any meaningful way?
  - smolder 6y ago
    I've read before that "death to ____" in the way they use it is similar to how we might say "____ can fuck off", and is not expressing a desire to kill all of us literally.
detaro 6y ago
That's probably about as accurate as someone from Iran claiming that all they ever see from the US is Fox talking heads arguing for nuking the Middle East.
anigbrowl 6y ago
Nobody in Iran knows or cares that you are alive. They're expressing opposition to the USA as a political entity, much as you are expressing hostility to Iran rather than trying to ruin the lives of individual Iranian people.
- plandis 6y ago
  There are government organized protests literally chanting for the deaths of Americans. Here is one such instance from the recent past: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-usa-embassy/iranians-chant-death-to-america-to-mark-u-s-embassy-seizure-idUSKBN1XE0KK https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-usa-embassy/iranians...
  - anigbrowl 6y ago
    No they are not. 'Death to America' is not the same as 'Death to individual Americans'. Perhaps you should consider that your reaction of believing that it is a personal attack on you and your loved ones is the result of anti-Iranian propaganda as much as Iranian animus (and propagandization of Iranians). I don't think you really believe that Iranians are lying awake at night trying to figure out how to destroy you, plandis. They're not even reading Hacker News and thinking 'Death to America and plandis in particular'. If you think about it, you probably recognize that their gripe is with the American presence that surrounds their country - look at the huge number of US bases in the region, in addition to the history we're discussing here. It's not like the Iranians have a ring of bases in Canada and the US, is it now? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America
    - jessaustin 6y ago
      My study of American history has led me to support the idea of ending the government of the United States as it currently exists. We'd menace a lot fewer innocent people if the union were chopped up into about twenty pieces.
wz1000 6y ago
Here is what Iranians see from major American presidential candidates considered to be "highly respected on both sides of the aisle": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

notsureaboutpg 6y ago

I mean the USA shot down an Iranian passenger plane killing all the civilians inside it. The USA sanctioned medical supplies from a country battling a pandemic. The USA armed Saddam Hussein to invade and fight a decade long war with Iran. The US has been consistently trying to destroy the nation of Iran. Iran holds demonstrations calling for the destruction of America but they never fought the US in any kind of war. When 9/11 happened, they were one of the only countries in the Middle East to have nationwide moments of silence and prayers for victims in America. Iran also has been one of the biggest fighters of ISIS in Iraq. They are able to mobilize civilian volunteers in Iraq in a way any other organization would envy. It's really crazy how much reality you have to ignore to believe there is any justification for US sanctions on Iran or to justify why you think Iranians should not be angry at the US

techer 6y ago

Chanting for your death? Source please..

plandis 6y ago
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-usa-embassy/iranians-chant-death-to-america-to-mark-u-s-embassy-seizure-idUSKBN1XE0KK https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-usa-embassy/iranians... Just do a google search there are many many instances.

boudin 6y ago

First, not all Iranian people are chanting your death. This is the propaganda from both sides that says that. Sanctions currently have the effect at making people in Iran even more dependant of the government, and plays well into the Iranian government propaganda.

plandis 6y ago
> First, not all Iranian people are chanting your death. Yeah I have no problem with your average Iranian. But the Iranian government routinely organizes protests where people are literally calling for the death of Americans. Sanctions also have the benefit of preventing the Iranian government and their terrorist revolutionary guard from harming Americans as well as they could without sanctions.
- Udik 6y ago
  > the Iranian government routinely organizes protests where people are literally calling for the death of Americans. Literally is the keyword here, because the translation "death to something" is just the literal mistranslation of the Iranian idiom meaning "down with something". As if someone believed that when you say "I'd die for a beer" you really meant it.
- erklik 6y ago
  > But the Iranian government routinely organizes protests where people are literally calling for the death of Americans. I mean wouldn't you? If Iran had toppled the US government, installed a puppet, and routinely muddled in your affairs for decades essentially making sure that you are unable to progress in any meaningful way?
- smolder 6y ago
  I've read before that "death to ____" in the way they use it is similar to how we might say "____ can fuck off", and is not expressing a desire to kill all of us literally.

detaro 6y ago

That's probably about as accurate as someone from Iran claiming that all they ever see from the US is Fox talking heads arguing for nuking the Middle East.

anigbrowl 6y ago

Nobody in Iran knows or cares that you are alive. They're expressing opposition to the USA as a political entity, much as you are expressing hostility to Iran rather than trying to ruin the lives of individual Iranian people.

plandis 6y ago
There are government organized protests literally chanting for the deaths of Americans. Here is one such instance from the recent past: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-usa-embassy/iranians-chant-death-to-america-to-mark-u-s-embassy-seizure-idUSKBN1XE0KK https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-usa-embassy/iranians...
- anigbrowl 6y ago
  No they are not. 'Death to America' is not the same as 'Death to individual Americans'. Perhaps you should consider that your reaction of believing that it is a personal attack on you and your loved ones is the result of anti-Iranian propaganda as much as Iranian animus (and propagandization of Iranians). I don't think you really believe that Iranians are lying awake at night trying to figure out how to destroy you, plandis. They're not even reading Hacker News and thinking 'Death to America and plandis in particular'. If you think about it, you probably recognize that their gripe is with the American presence that surrounds their country - look at the huge number of US bases in the region, in addition to the history we're discussing here. It's not like the Iranians have a ring of bases in Canada and the US, is it now? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    My study of American history has led me to support the idea of ending the government of the United States as it currently exists. We'd menace a lot fewer innocent people if the union were chopped up into about twenty pieces.

wz1000 6y ago

Here is what Iranians see from major American presidential candidates considered to be "highly respected on both sides of the aisle": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg