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What you are suggesting is completely mad. The average US citizen cannot be expected to have a nuanced enough understanding of pharmacology to make informed de

What you are suggesting is completely mad. The average US citizen cannot be expected to have a nuanced enough understanding of pharmacology to make informed decisions about the safety and efficacy of drugs. Even trained and licensed physicians often have difficulties making such decisions in non-mundane situations, and rely heavily upon their pharmacy colleagues (either by way of consulting practice-specific literature, or actually consulting with a qualified pharmacist) to assist with making determinations about what would be safe and effective to administer.

renewiltord 6y ago
They don't have to. They can stick to the pharmacists and all that. If you want me to take a test to demonstrate that I am of sound mind and should be released of my restrictions, that's fine. If you want me to post money so you can afford to bury my body, that's also fine. But release me from the bonds that bind "the average US citizen".
- sithadmin 6y ago
  >They can stick to the pharmacists and all that. Again, your position is absurd. Individual pharmacists of the type that serve the average person most often (retail pharmacists) are not equipped or trained to be the gatekeepers deciding which products are safe and effective. Putting that sort of risk and power into the hands of pharmacists will necessarily result in a need for cooperation on de facto standards that will only result in strengthening cartels like the American Pharmacists Association, which are already anti-consumer enough as it is. >release me from the bonds that bind "the average US citizen". Well...that definitely vibes with the incoherent disestablishmentarianist approach you seem to be promoting, I guess.
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    > > me: The FDA should be able to certify drugs as safe, effective, etc. > you: Individual pharmacists of the type that serve the average person most often (retail pharmacists) are not equipped or trained to be the gatekeepers deciding which products are safe and effective. I find your response stupefying since it seems to be responding to things I'm not saying... > > Well...that definitely vibes with the incoherent disestablishmentarianist approach you seem to be promoting, I guess. Hahaha, beautiful.
    - sithadmin 6y ago
      I'm directly responding to your (insane) line of argumentation: You're arguing that medications that have not passed regulatory requirements for safety or efficacy should be sold to consumers, and that they can simply rely on retail pharmacists or the like as a stand in for the FDA's approval process.
      - renewiltord 6y ago
        Interesting. Perhaps my English isn't that good. Please re-write "The FDA should be able to certify drugs as safe, effective, etc." in the way you understand it. In this universe, you can just get an FDA-certified thing. No stand-in required. > You're arguing that medications that have not passed regulatory requirements for safety or efficacy should be sold to consumers, and that they can simply rely on retail pharmacists or the like as a stand in for the FDA's approval process. No. No gatekeepers. The standard is you buy FDA drugs from pharmacists. If you don't want to, you don't, you buy it from who will sell it and you're on your own. It's the escape hatch. Just like you can buy non-Snell-certified helmets.

renewiltord 6y ago

They don't have to. They can stick to the pharmacists and all that. If you want me to take a test to demonstrate that I am of sound mind and should be released of my restrictions, that's fine. If you want me to post money so you can afford to bury my body, that's also fine. But release me from the bonds that bind "the average US citizen".

sithadmin 6y ago
>They can stick to the pharmacists and all that. Again, your position is absurd. Individual pharmacists of the type that serve the average person most often (retail pharmacists) are not equipped or trained to be the gatekeepers deciding which products are safe and effective. Putting that sort of risk and power into the hands of pharmacists will necessarily result in a need for cooperation on de facto standards that will only result in strengthening cartels like the American Pharmacists Association, which are already anti-consumer enough as it is. >release me from the bonds that bind "the average US citizen". Well...that definitely vibes with the incoherent disestablishmentarianist approach you seem to be promoting, I guess.
- renewiltord 6y ago
  > > me: The FDA should be able to certify drugs as safe, effective, etc. > you: Individual pharmacists of the type that serve the average person most often (retail pharmacists) are not equipped or trained to be the gatekeepers deciding which products are safe and effective. I find your response stupefying since it seems to be responding to things I'm not saying... > > Well...that definitely vibes with the incoherent disestablishmentarianist approach you seem to be promoting, I guess. Hahaha, beautiful.
  - sithadmin 6y ago
    I'm directly responding to your (insane) line of argumentation: You're arguing that medications that have not passed regulatory requirements for safety or efficacy should be sold to consumers, and that they can simply rely on retail pharmacists or the like as a stand in for the FDA's approval process.
    - renewiltord 6y ago
      Interesting. Perhaps my English isn't that good. Please re-write "The FDA should be able to certify drugs as safe, effective, etc." in the way you understand it. In this universe, you can just get an FDA-certified thing. No stand-in required. > You're arguing that medications that have not passed regulatory requirements for safety or efficacy should be sold to consumers, and that they can simply rely on retail pharmacists or the like as a stand in for the FDA's approval process. No. No gatekeepers. The standard is you buy FDA drugs from pharmacists. If you don't want to, you don't, you buy it from who will sell it and you're on your own. It's the escape hatch. Just like you can buy non-Snell-certified helmets.