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> Yes, the app store was genius. Meh. make was genius. Makefiles were genius. pkg_install and pkg_add were genius. PMS was genius. RPM was genius. FreeBSD's p

> Yes, the app store was genius. Meh. make was genius. Makefiles were genius. pkg_install and pkg_add were genius. PMS was genius. RPM was genius. FreeBSD's ports tree is genius. pkgsrc is genius. Like nearly everything Apple ever did, AppStore is not at all original, not remotely the first, not by over a decade. It is really no different from any other binary package manager. It is Brew for iOS.

basch 6y ago
It's exclusive, with a gatekeeper, and no workaround. It just works. It has payment processing built in. Like most Apple things, they weren't the first. Their genius isnt being first, it was spit polishing things to be simple for the masses. Over the years, they have lost a bit of that vision and turned googly with new products not quite replacing old products (how many times has photo sharing and backup been redesigned) but comparing the whole suite to components is a bit unfair.
InitialLastName 6y ago
As others have said, the genius of the app store isn't the technology (as you rightly point out, the technical problems have been solved for decades). The genius of the app store is in the business model: Make and market a device with unlimited demand, give third parties only one way to reach such a large market that they're willing to pay you 30% (while drastically lowering technical barriers to entry), and raise the barriers-to-exit so high for users that nobody ever leaves the ecosystem. Rinse, repeat, profit.
Miraste 6y ago
Nothing you listed has a competent GUI. For a mass market product that is everything.
- catmistake 6y ago
  How about Cydia, which predated AppStore by 2 years?
  - n42 6y ago
    it amazes me that people still seem to think that the app store was some reactionary response to jail breaking and not a calculated move. the iPhone was launched in June 2007, the app store in July 2008. Apple did not build an entire developer SDK and software marketplace within 1 year as some afterthought. those wheels had been in motion before we knew what the iPhone was. if Apple had launched the app store with the iPhone, it would have had no where near as big of an impact as it did by waiting just a year. they created the demand first. and no, Cydia was launched 5 months before the app store.
    - catmistake 6y ago
      I was suggesting nothing of the kind. But certainly it wasn't the other way around, either. My only point is that the AppStore is not the Second Coming. It is and it only is a package manager. Just like all the others that came before it. And nothing more. It is not some searing example of genius. It is one package manager among countless. That it includes a payment system is an irrelevant detail. What Apple did that is amazing is creating a community of developers out of nothing and gave them excellent tools to create software for their platform. It seemed overnight that the ocean of Windows applications, mostly due to obsession with backward compatibility, was no longer all that special.

basch 6y ago

It's exclusive, with a gatekeeper, and no workaround. It just works. It has payment processing built in. Like most Apple things, they weren't the first. Their genius isnt being first, it was spit polishing things to be simple for the masses. Over the years, they have lost a bit of that vision and turned googly with new products not quite replacing old products (how many times has photo sharing and backup been redesigned) but comparing the whole suite to components is a bit unfair.

InitialLastName 6y ago

As others have said, the genius of the app store isn't the technology (as you rightly point out, the technical problems have been solved for decades). The genius of the app store is in the business model: Make and market a device with unlimited demand, give third parties only one way to reach such a large market that they're willing to pay you 30% (while drastically lowering technical barriers to entry), and raise the barriers-to-exit so high for users that nobody ever leaves the ecosystem. Rinse, repeat, profit.

Miraste 6y ago

Nothing you listed has a competent GUI. For a mass market product that is everything.

catmistake 6y ago
How about Cydia, which predated AppStore by 2 years?
- n42 6y ago
  it amazes me that people still seem to think that the app store was some reactionary response to jail breaking and not a calculated move. the iPhone was launched in June 2007, the app store in July 2008. Apple did not build an entire developer SDK and software marketplace within 1 year as some afterthought. those wheels had been in motion before we knew what the iPhone was. if Apple had launched the app store with the iPhone, it would have had no where near as big of an impact as it did by waiting just a year. they created the demand first. and no, Cydia was launched 5 months before the app store.
  - catmistake 6y ago
    I was suggesting nothing of the kind. But certainly it wasn't the other way around, either. My only point is that the AppStore is not the Second Coming. It is and it only is a package manager. Just like all the others that came before it. And nothing more. It is not some searing example of genius. It is one package manager among countless. That it includes a payment system is an irrelevant detail. What Apple did that is amazing is creating a community of developers out of nothing and gave them excellent tools to create software for their platform. It seemed overnight that the ocean of Windows applications, mostly due to obsession with backward compatibility, was no longer all that special.