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>These products should be outright banned. Folks can make wonderful pastries at home. Sugar is sugar. What's the difference between a homemade pastry and store

>These products should be outright banned. Folks can make wonderful pastries at home. Sugar is sugar. What's the difference between a homemade pastry and store bought pastry?

fafk 6y ago
I make sugar-free pastries at home. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythritol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythritol
- Hitton 6y ago
  What kind of flour do you use? Usually it contains sugar too.
  - bkor 6y ago
    Where do you find flour that contains sugar? I've never seen that in NL and a few countries around it.
    - artificial 6y ago
      Maybe they consider all carbs sugar? ~shrug~
  - FreeFull 6y ago
    What kind of flour has sugar in it? Most flours are a mixture of starches and protein from grinding up a grain. Starches take more work to digest than sugars, so they don't spike blood sugar levels as quickly.
    - donarb 6y ago
      Flours do contain some naturally occurring sugar, usually less than 1%.
fouric 6y ago
A homemade pastry has fewer preservatives and additives, you have greater control over the contents, requires a time and effort investment, and is not heavily marketed with prominent placement in grocery stores and appealing, colorful packaging. There are both nutritional and psychological differences between the two that make the homemade version effectively much less unhealthy for you.
- macspoofing 6y ago
  >A homemade pastry has fewer preservatives and additives Sugar is sugar.
  - jeffreyrogers 6y ago
    Those things aren't sugar though.
    - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
      I'm not sure if you're missing the point intentionally or unintentionally but while those chemicals sometimes can cause health problems later in life but the sugar is what's causing the calories that are causing the obesity that is causing the health problems we want to mitigate. The sugar is the problem and both the pastries have the same sugar. The homemade one may be marginally better but it's a distinction without a meaningful difference. The problems caused by oddball chemicals used in industrial food manufacturing are less than a rounding error compared to the problems caused by obesity.
      - jeffreyrogers 6y ago
        No, it is actually both things. The sugar causes people to eat the stuff and does contribute to obesity, but sugar is only a contributer. The additives and ingredients like vegetable oils (which cause health problems of their own due to their chemical structure) also contain a lot of calories (fat contains more calories per gram than sugar). In Australia obesity increased while sugar consumption decreased. The additives really matter and have a huge impact on human health--they are not a rounding error, but it was a great marketing tactic on behalf of various food industry groups to vilify sugar while deflecting from the other ingredients that are similarly problematic.
lhorie 6y ago
You can choose to put less sugar in your homemade pastries. I sometimes bake cookies at home and I use less than half the "recommended" sugar amount, and they still taste sweet. I've never really liked commercial sweet baked food because the high amount of sugar causes a "burning" sensation when I eat them.
- macspoofing 6y ago
  You can also buy sugar free pastries. You can also add extra sugar when you bake your pastries. I don't understand how this invalidates my point that sugar is sugar. That there is no difference between sugar in commercial goods, and sugar you add when you bake at home.
  - lhorie 6y ago
    Sure, I think the parallel you're trying to draw is that you can also buy diet coke instead of regular coke, but many will vehemently argue that it's not the same thing. I'm sure given enough effort, I _could_ find cookies made with half the sugar and dark chocolate, but if you asked me right now, I honestly couldn't tell you where to find such a thing, let alone at a price comparable to run-off-the-mill chips ahoy (never mind the cost of baking them from scratch). We can certainly be pedantic and say one molecule of glucose is identical to another, but the logistics of buying cookies on impulse at the supermarket vs taking out a mixer to make them on a saturday morning will realistically not likely yield identical amounts of sugar intake. There's also something to be said about the shock of learning how much butter goes into these things!
ebg13 6y ago
> What's the difference between a homemade pastry and store bought pastry? People consume less when consumption is less convenient. A billion people aren't going to start baking cupcakes every day.
ploika 6y ago
The amount of sugar in them, very often.
- macspoofing 6y ago
  You can certainly buy low-sugar/no-sugar commercial goods. You can also bake pastries with extra sugar. Quantity of sugar does matter but sugar is sugar.
aikah 6y ago
> Sugar is sugar. What's the difference between a homemade pastry and store bought pastry? You can control the amount of sugar within something you bake yourself for starter.
badrequest 6y ago
> What's the difference between a homemade pastry and store bought pastry? I can't effortlessly and cheaply acquire a honey bun when I've had a bad day if I have to make them at home.

>These products should be outright banned. Folks can make wonderful pastries at home. Sugar is sugar. What's the difference between a homemade pastry and store bought pastry?

fafk 6y ago

I make sugar-free pastries at home. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythritol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythritol

Hitton 6y ago
What kind of flour do you use? Usually it contains sugar too.
- bkor 6y ago
  Where do you find flour that contains sugar? I've never seen that in NL and a few countries around it.
  - artificial 6y ago
    Maybe they consider all carbs sugar? ~shrug~
- FreeFull 6y ago
  What kind of flour has sugar in it? Most flours are a mixture of starches and protein from grinding up a grain. Starches take more work to digest than sugars, so they don't spike blood sugar levels as quickly.
  - donarb 6y ago
    Flours do contain some naturally occurring sugar, usually less than 1%.

fouric 6y ago

A homemade pastry has fewer preservatives and additives, you have greater control over the contents, requires a time and effort investment, and is not heavily marketed with prominent placement in grocery stores and appealing, colorful packaging. There are both nutritional and psychological differences between the two that make the homemade version effectively much less unhealthy for you.

macspoofing 6y ago
>A homemade pastry has fewer preservatives and additives Sugar is sugar.
- jeffreyrogers 6y ago
  Those things aren't sugar though.
  - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
    I'm not sure if you're missing the point intentionally or unintentionally but while those chemicals sometimes can cause health problems later in life but the sugar is what's causing the calories that are causing the obesity that is causing the health problems we want to mitigate. The sugar is the problem and both the pastries have the same sugar. The homemade one may be marginally better but it's a distinction without a meaningful difference. The problems caused by oddball chemicals used in industrial food manufacturing are less than a rounding error compared to the problems caused by obesity.
    - jeffreyrogers 6y ago
      No, it is actually both things. The sugar causes people to eat the stuff and does contribute to obesity, but sugar is only a contributer. The additives and ingredients like vegetable oils (which cause health problems of their own due to their chemical structure) also contain a lot of calories (fat contains more calories per gram than sugar). In Australia obesity increased while sugar consumption decreased. The additives really matter and have a huge impact on human health--they are not a rounding error, but it was a great marketing tactic on behalf of various food industry groups to vilify sugar while deflecting from the other ingredients that are similarly problematic.

lhorie 6y ago

You can choose to put less sugar in your homemade pastries. I sometimes bake cookies at home and I use less than half the "recommended" sugar amount, and they still taste sweet. I've never really liked commercial sweet baked food because the high amount of sugar causes a "burning" sensation when I eat them.

macspoofing 6y ago
You can also buy sugar free pastries. You can also add extra sugar when you bake your pastries. I don't understand how this invalidates my point that sugar is sugar. That there is no difference between sugar in commercial goods, and sugar you add when you bake at home.
- lhorie 6y ago
  Sure, I think the parallel you're trying to draw is that you can also buy diet coke instead of regular coke, but many will vehemently argue that it's not the same thing. I'm sure given enough effort, I _could_ find cookies made with half the sugar and dark chocolate, but if you asked me right now, I honestly couldn't tell you where to find such a thing, let alone at a price comparable to run-off-the-mill chips ahoy (never mind the cost of baking them from scratch). We can certainly be pedantic and say one molecule of glucose is identical to another, but the logistics of buying cookies on impulse at the supermarket vs taking out a mixer to make them on a saturday morning will realistically not likely yield identical amounts of sugar intake. There's also something to be said about the shock of learning how much butter goes into these things!

ebg13 6y ago

> What's the difference between a homemade pastry and store bought pastry? People consume less when consumption is less convenient. A billion people aren't going to start baking cupcakes every day.

ploika 6y ago

The amount of sugar in them, very often.

macspoofing 6y ago
You can certainly buy low-sugar/no-sugar commercial goods. You can also bake pastries with extra sugar. Quantity of sugar does matter but sugar is sugar.

aikah 6y ago

> Sugar is sugar. What's the difference between a homemade pastry and store bought pastry? You can control the amount of sugar within something you bake yourself for starter.

badrequest 6y ago

> What's the difference between a homemade pastry and store bought pastry? I can't effortlessly and cheaply acquire a honey bun when I've had a bad day if I have to make them at home.