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Thanks very much for explaining! I'm not entirely sure which part of my comment you're arguing against: > How is a gymgoer endangering you, if you are staying

Thanks very much for explaining! I'm not entirely sure which part of my comment you're arguing against: > How is a gymgoer endangering you, if you are staying 6ft from all others, wearing a mask, washing your hands and not touching your face? Are you saying that as long as the measures you listed are followed, any additional shutdowns required by the local/state government are unreasonable and are okay to ignore? If instead you're saying that the measures you listed satisfy the local/state requirements for gyms, then I'm confused because I wouldn't expect the gym to be shutdown in the first place.

hammock 6y ago
>Are you saying that as long as the measures you listed are followed, any additional shutdowns required by the local/state government are unreasonable and are okay to ignore? Yes. How does a government shutdown help me, if I'm already isolated?
- komali2 6y ago
  How isolated are you? You only eat food you've stored? You've been doing that the last 4 months? If you go to the grocery store or receive deliveries, you're not isolated, and government policy that reduces viral spread benefits you.
  - hammock 6y ago
    Curious, is there a documented case of community spread of COVID via a grocery store or grocery delivery?
    - komali2 6y ago
      > The virus that causes COVID-19 is thought to spread mainly from person to person, mainly through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or talks. These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs. Spread is more likely when people are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet). https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html#Spread https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html#Spread What, without evidence of it ever spreading from one person to another in a grocery store, you believe it isn't possible? Is extrapolating the knowledge of how it spreads to the possibility of encountering that situation in a grocery store not viable here? Shall we wait for evidence of spread in every single possible permutation of leaving the house before we consider such an activity potentially dangerous? I was challenging isolation. I go grocery shopping - I think it can be done safely. But, I wouldn't do it if I lived in some red state full of pandemic deniers with huge spread rates - it's too dangerous. In my area, everyone wears masks, everyone makes sure to social distance, so it's not as much of a risk. But I acknowledge that I'm not isolated, and that was the claim that was made.
      - hammock 6y ago
        >What, without evidence of it ever spreading from one person to another in a grocery store, you believe it isn't possible? We have extensive contract tracing now in every state in the US, and around the world. I would think it wouldn't be that hard to show. Were you able to find any cases?
        strbean 6y ago
        You want contact tracers to compile a database of the exact times every person with COVID was in a grocery store? This reeks of bad faith argument.
        hammock 6y ago
        Maybe I don't understand what contract tracers do. Do they not (attempt to) map out every place and person contacted?
        komali2 6y ago
        We don't have extensive contact tracing. I've never once engaged with a contact tracing application, nor anybody that I know. You failed to answer my previous question: is it impossible to extrapolate knowledge of how the virus spreads, to judge risk of various scenarios? Do you require evidence from every permutation of possible activity?

hammock 6y ago

>Are you saying that as long as the measures you listed are followed, any additional shutdowns required by the local/state government are unreasonable and are okay to ignore? Yes. How does a government shutdown help me, if I'm already isolated?

komali2 6y ago
How isolated are you? You only eat food you've stored? You've been doing that the last 4 months? If you go to the grocery store or receive deliveries, you're not isolated, and government policy that reduces viral spread benefits you.
- hammock 6y ago
  Curious, is there a documented case of community spread of COVID via a grocery store or grocery delivery?
  - komali2 6y ago
    > The virus that causes COVID-19 is thought to spread mainly from person to person, mainly through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or talks. These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs. Spread is more likely when people are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet). https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html#Spread https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html#Spread What, without evidence of it ever spreading from one person to another in a grocery store, you believe it isn't possible? Is extrapolating the knowledge of how it spreads to the possibility of encountering that situation in a grocery store not viable here? Shall we wait for evidence of spread in every single possible permutation of leaving the house before we consider such an activity potentially dangerous? I was challenging isolation. I go grocery shopping - I think it can be done safely. But, I wouldn't do it if I lived in some red state full of pandemic deniers with huge spread rates - it's too dangerous. In my area, everyone wears masks, everyone makes sure to social distance, so it's not as much of a risk. But I acknowledge that I'm not isolated, and that was the claim that was made.
    - hammock 6y ago
      >What, without evidence of it ever spreading from one person to another in a grocery store, you believe it isn't possible? We have extensive contract tracing now in every state in the US, and around the world. I would think it wouldn't be that hard to show. Were you able to find any cases?
      - strbean 6y ago
        You want contact tracers to compile a database of the exact times every person with COVID was in a grocery store? This reeks of bad faith argument.
        hammock 6y ago
        Maybe I don't understand what contract tracers do. Do they not (attempt to) map out every place and person contacted?
      - komali2 6y ago
        We don't have extensive contact tracing. I've never once engaged with a contact tracing application, nor anybody that I know. You failed to answer my previous question: is it impossible to extrapolate knowledge of how the virus spreads, to judge risk of various scenarios? Do you require evidence from every permutation of possible activity?