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If you look the number case, yes it can be considered "high" because the virus spread easily but then again you see vast majority of it is either asymptomatic o

by matz1 6y ago

If you look the number case, yes it can be considered "high" because the virus spread easily but then again you see vast majority of it is either asymptomatic or only have mild symptoms, it doesn't make sense to lockdown.

wffurr 6y ago
172,000 dead. I'm going to stick with the advice from public health experts, which has been consistent and unanimous, thanks. For details on how the US's death rates (CFR, per capita, etc.) compare, you can read more here, but it's not good. Other places aren't good either, but many places are much better. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/05/899365887/charts-how-the-u-s-ranks-on-covid-19-deaths-per-capita-and-by-case-count https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/05/8993658...
- matz1 6y ago
  >172,000 dead Thats such a low number ~0.05% of the population. This should viewed as good news that the virus is not that deadly.
  - calvano915 6y ago
    Not to mention hundreds of thousands more with heart damage and other long term effects of infection that are still not well understood. Death should not be the only metric of disease severity or burden.
    - matz1 6y ago
      All diseases could cause long term effect in some of the population. Flu can cause long term damage too. Do you know what else could cause long term damage ? Lockdown >still not well understood Especially when is still not well understood, we shouldn't do lockdown as it surely can cause damage.
      - calvano915 6y ago
        Lockdown without adequate support to mitigate the known negative effects, sure. We know what can happen from a lockdown and can plan accordingly. We also know the long term effects of flu (not nearly as severe as what known about Covid, so even loosely comparing the two is irresponsible). We may overreact for the unknown effects of Covid, but it's sure convenient to say we should do nothing instead and oops later if you underestimated (which is interestingly exactly what happened at that start of the pandemic and got us to our current death rates). Sad that your preference is all for the sake of leisure and convenience, perpetuating a system dependent on low wage service laborers that are offered no choice in the matter. We have other options, but a flat refusal to offer or consider any does indeed leave every man for himself. But careful what you ask for, because when you force people into such desperation they will only put up with so much before deciding to take back or destroy it all.
        matz1 6y ago
        >but it's sure convenient to say we should do nothing I didn't say we should do nothing. There are things that can be done other than lockdown such as finding vaccine still have to be done, improving treatment method still have to be done, improving health care capacity still have to be done, etc. >sake of leisure and convenience Its not just leisure and convenience, people losing job, bankruptcy, mental health problem, suicide, domestic violence, delayed treatment for non-covid cause, kids receiving poor education due school closure, etc Flu kills thousand every year too, yet we didn't require lockdown. Likewise be careful when you ask for lockdown, because when you force people into such desperation they will only put up with so much before deciding to take back or destroy it all. Lockdown maybe justified if the threat is proportional to the severity for covid its not worth it.
  - servercobra 6y ago
    That's 172,000 dead with all the (somewhat) strict measures being taken.

by matz1 6y ago

wffurr 6y ago

172,000 dead. I'm going to stick with the advice from public health experts, which has been consistent and unanimous, thanks. For details on how the US's death rates (CFR, per capita, etc.) compare, you can read more here, but it's not good. Other places aren't good either, but many places are much better. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/05/899365887/charts-how-the-u-s-ranks-on-covid-19-deaths-per-capita-and-by-case-count https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/05/8993658...

matz1 6y ago
>172,000 dead Thats such a low number ~0.05% of the population. This should viewed as good news that the virus is not that deadly.
- calvano915 6y ago
  Not to mention hundreds of thousands more with heart damage and other long term effects of infection that are still not well understood. Death should not be the only metric of disease severity or burden.
  - matz1 6y ago
    All diseases could cause long term effect in some of the population. Flu can cause long term damage too. Do you know what else could cause long term damage ? Lockdown >still not well understood Especially when is still not well understood, we shouldn't do lockdown as it surely can cause damage.
    - calvano915 6y ago
      Lockdown without adequate support to mitigate the known negative effects, sure. We know what can happen from a lockdown and can plan accordingly. We also know the long term effects of flu (not nearly as severe as what known about Covid, so even loosely comparing the two is irresponsible). We may overreact for the unknown effects of Covid, but it's sure convenient to say we should do nothing instead and oops later if you underestimated (which is interestingly exactly what happened at that start of the pandemic and got us to our current death rates). Sad that your preference is all for the sake of leisure and convenience, perpetuating a system dependent on low wage service laborers that are offered no choice in the matter. We have other options, but a flat refusal to offer or consider any does indeed leave every man for himself. But careful what you ask for, because when you force people into such desperation they will only put up with so much before deciding to take back or destroy it all.
      - matz1 6y ago
        >but it's sure convenient to say we should do nothing I didn't say we should do nothing. There are things that can be done other than lockdown such as finding vaccine still have to be done, improving treatment method still have to be done, improving health care capacity still have to be done, etc. >sake of leisure and convenience Its not just leisure and convenience, people losing job, bankruptcy, mental health problem, suicide, domestic violence, delayed treatment for non-covid cause, kids receiving poor education due school closure, etc Flu kills thousand every year too, yet we didn't require lockdown. Likewise be careful when you ask for lockdown, because when you force people into such desperation they will only put up with so much before deciding to take back or destroy it all. Lockdown maybe justified if the threat is proportional to the severity for covid its not worth it.
- servercobra 6y ago
  That's 172,000 dead with all the (somewhat) strict measures being taken.