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> At what point do you think the government should stop taking taxes? When millionaires stop crying because they have to pay them.

tekknik 6y ago
So it is punishment?
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- romanoderoma 6y ago
  That's exactly what I was talking about Only kids and millionaires cry when you ask them to do their duty And that's why the government can't stop asking for taxes to rich people
  - tekknik 6y ago
    What exactly is their duty? They earned money so they owe it to you as duty? What entitled you to their money? Do you have stuff? Can I come in your house and take things because it’s your duty?
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      > What entitled you to their money? Do What entitle you to speak on their behalf? The story of the rich who cry about their money being taken away by some evil entity, it's just the constant, endless, uberable whining of the wannabe rich people So boring... They are not giving them to ME, they are giving them back to society, the same society that made them rich. There are many billionaires who wants to pay more taxes because it would simply be fairer. > Can I come in your house and take things because it’s your duty? You are wrong, again 1) If it was my duty, you couldn't do it, because you cannot collect what's in the government duty to collect. 2) Your duty would be, at best, to report to the authorities. But since you're one of those americans who don't understand what "society" means, you think everything revolves around you and you alone. Spoiler: it doesn't. Your duty is to contribute back in proportion of what you earn and own. What about you simply do it and shut up? p.s.: you are obsessed with punishment, are you one of those americans who believes that the bible is the law? somebody already told you that "framing it as a punishment is a bit disingenuous. The idea is not to punish rich people, the idea is to change how the tax burden is distributed. I would turn the question around and ask why we as a society are intent on punishing the middle class with the tax burden?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24210412 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24210412 Of course you have no answer to that, because you should admit that if it is wrong to punish rich people with taxes for being rich, it is vastly more wrong to punish people who are not rich for not being rich.
      - cdfky 6y ago
        What duty - when tax dollars are spent on regressive policies, teachers unions, handouts and bailouts. Look at infrastructure and schools in the US. 1% of income earners already pay 90% of income tax in the US. What more do you want? Wealth is not a zero sum game. Billionaires employ millions of people. Even if you could tax 100% of all billionaire money, you will only fund the entire federal governments spending by a year. Fix where the money is spent first. It is highly inefficient
        cdfky 6y ago
        Correction they pay equivalent income tax to the bottom 90% (and a third of all once tax)
        romanoderoma 6y ago
        That's the problem, because their wealth is many times larger than the bottom 90% The top 1% of the population in US owns 39% of the wealth, top 10% own 76% of the wealth, bottom 50% owns only 1% of it. If the system was fair, bottom 50% of the population should pay no taxes, because they own too little to live. BTW you are another of the wannabe rich I guess who drank the billionaires cool aid, the top 1% only pays a marginal amount of the taxes "Zucman, as detailed in his new book, "The Triumph of Injustice," written with fellow University of California at Berkeley economist Emmanuel Saez, found that the 400 richest Americans now pay a total tax rate of about 23% — that's lower than the bottom half of U.S. households, who pay a rate of about 24%" American Scholars and the FED are making these analyses, not some hippie socialist in a kibbutz It's time you all wake up
        tekknik 6y ago
        > BTW you are another of the wannabe rich I guess who drank the billionaires cool aid, the top 1% only pays a marginal amount of the taxes This is a horrible excuse. Nobody has ever argued they want things to stay this way because one day they’ll be rich. How the liberals got this idea is a great question. The reason why people care is because this is a slippery slope. One side thinks you can’t pay enough taxes, and the other side wants their money to spend on themselves. It’s not “wannabe rich” so quit running around spouting that off out of ignorance. What we want is fairness and we happen to understand the rich people own the businesses. If you keep reaching into their pocket they will leave. Then what? Businesses and money will magically appear? I think it’s time you wake up, unless this is gonna be a typical liberal tantrum where we won’t hear the end of it until we submit to further taxation.

tekknik 6y ago

So it is punishment?

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romanoderoma 6y ago
That's exactly what I was talking about Only kids and millionaires cry when you ask them to do their duty And that's why the government can't stop asking for taxes to rich people
- tekknik 6y ago
  What exactly is their duty? They earned money so they owe it to you as duty? What entitled you to their money? Do you have stuff? Can I come in your house and take things because it’s your duty?
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    > What entitled you to their money? Do What entitle you to speak on their behalf? The story of the rich who cry about their money being taken away by some evil entity, it's just the constant, endless, uberable whining of the wannabe rich people So boring... They are not giving them to ME, they are giving them back to society, the same society that made them rich. There are many billionaires who wants to pay more taxes because it would simply be fairer. > Can I come in your house and take things because it’s your duty? You are wrong, again 1) If it was my duty, you couldn't do it, because you cannot collect what's in the government duty to collect. 2) Your duty would be, at best, to report to the authorities. But since you're one of those americans who don't understand what "society" means, you think everything revolves around you and you alone. Spoiler: it doesn't. Your duty is to contribute back in proportion of what you earn and own. What about you simply do it and shut up? p.s.: you are obsessed with punishment, are you one of those americans who believes that the bible is the law? somebody already told you that "framing it as a punishment is a bit disingenuous. The idea is not to punish rich people, the idea is to change how the tax burden is distributed. I would turn the question around and ask why we as a society are intent on punishing the middle class with the tax burden?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24210412 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24210412 Of course you have no answer to that, because you should admit that if it is wrong to punish rich people with taxes for being rich, it is vastly more wrong to punish people who are not rich for not being rich.
    - cdfky 6y ago
      What duty - when tax dollars are spent on regressive policies, teachers unions, handouts and bailouts. Look at infrastructure and schools in the US. 1% of income earners already pay 90% of income tax in the US. What more do you want? Wealth is not a zero sum game. Billionaires employ millions of people. Even if you could tax 100% of all billionaire money, you will only fund the entire federal governments spending by a year. Fix where the money is spent first. It is highly inefficient
      - cdfky 6y ago
        Correction they pay equivalent income tax to the bottom 90% (and a third of all once tax)
        romanoderoma 6y ago
        That's the problem, because their wealth is many times larger than the bottom 90% The top 1% of the population in US owns 39% of the wealth, top 10% own 76% of the wealth, bottom 50% owns only 1% of it. If the system was fair, bottom 50% of the population should pay no taxes, because they own too little to live. BTW you are another of the wannabe rich I guess who drank the billionaires cool aid, the top 1% only pays a marginal amount of the taxes "Zucman, as detailed in his new book, "The Triumph of Injustice," written with fellow University of California at Berkeley economist Emmanuel Saez, found that the 400 richest Americans now pay a total tax rate of about 23% — that's lower than the bottom half of U.S. households, who pay a rate of about 24%" American Scholars and the FED are making these analyses, not some hippie socialist in a kibbutz It's time you all wake up
        tekknik 6y ago
        > BTW you are another of the wannabe rich I guess who drank the billionaires cool aid, the top 1% only pays a marginal amount of the taxes This is a horrible excuse. Nobody has ever argued they want things to stay this way because one day they’ll be rich. How the liberals got this idea is a great question. The reason why people care is because this is a slippery slope. One side thinks you can’t pay enough taxes, and the other side wants their money to spend on themselves. It’s not “wannabe rich” so quit running around spouting that off out of ignorance. What we want is fairness and we happen to understand the rich people own the businesses. If you keep reaching into their pocket they will leave. Then what? Businesses and money will magically appear? I think it’s time you wake up, unless this is gonna be a typical liberal tantrum where we won’t hear the end of it until we submit to further taxation.