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Showing a sunrise/sunset realtime 24/7 with the use of unsecured CCTV cameras
- echelon 6y agoNeat project, but I was really hoping there might actually be a video feed of the current sunrise and sunset. It seems like a missed opportunity for the subject matter and medium.
- est31 6y agoHosting live video in a scalable way is a much harder challenge than just showing it once somewhere. But it would have been cool to have a summary video of one day/night cycle, travelling around the world, maybe at 10x-100x acceleration. A one-time video also probably creates less legal issues as you can review and cull the footage (IANAL).
- blocked_again 6y agoCan't you just put it on Twitch/YouTube?
- blooalien 6y agoThere's always options like https://joinpeertube.org/ https://joinpeertube.org/ or https://webtorrent.io/ https://webtorrent.io/
- guerrilla 6y agoLast time I checked, peertube doesn't do livestreaming. Has that changed? Based on the name, can I assume that webtorrent also does not?
- blooalien 6y ago"But it would have been cool to have a summary video of one day/night cycle, travelling around the world, maybe at 10x-100x acceleration."?
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- whereistimbo 6y agoHow does livestreaming works through torrent? What about latency?
- catmistake 6y ago> Hosting live video in a scalable way is a much harder challenge than Totally. It requires figuring out and setting up arcane software such as Darwin Streaming Server, or Nimble Streamer, something like Quicktime Broadcaster, and Apache2, and also requires massive hardware resources, like a server for broadcasting, a server for shooting, and a webserver... that could be anywhere from one to two entire machines. That the WWW works at all is somewhat of a miracle. What webdevs do is more like brain surgery than anything else. ><
- PostPlummer 6y agoNot the artist, but... That is most certainly done on purpose and as part of the installation: you have to be present at -this- specific location to consume something that is 'at a random other location'. Lovely construct, I like the tension between the limited (viewer location) vs unlimited (camera location).
- creinhardt 6y agoThis is a great idea! Is there an online version of this installation anywhere? Or a list of cameras you use? Also, love those VFD displays! I did something similar with the public webcam feed from the top of Mt Hood in Oregon. Made a lil script that posts/tweets a time lapse of the sunrise and sunset each day: https://whatcoloristilikumcrossingrightnow.com/timberlineSunrise/ https://whatcoloristilikumcrossingrightnow.com/timberlineSun... Also on Twitter: https://twitter.com/mthoodsunrise https://twitter.com/mthoodsunrise
- driesdep 6y agoAwesome project! Thanks for the complement!
- huhtenberg 6y agoIt would help with the discussion if you'd answer the questions too.
- shostack 6y agoI want streamable, high quality, normal speed VR sunsets so bad.
- andruby 6y agoI know how you can get a high quality, normal speed sunset every day of the year, for free! You don’t even need a VR headset.
- naedish 6y agoStep 1 - don't live in the arctic circle :)
- shostack 6y agoUnfortunately, that's at the root of my desire. Where I live, the final :30-1hr of the sun going down is obscured by mountains and trees, which means I may occasionally see a glimpse of some pretty clouds, but often not much. Sunsets are one of the most relaxing things in the world to me so I'd eagerly pay a subscription for such an offering that let me do this on demand.
- poulsbohemian 6y agoAnybody have a suggestion for good outdoor cameras, ideally that can be powered by solar, for similar application? I've been looking for cameras for something similar, but every one I review is either not weather proof or requires some kind of mobile app IE: intended for security camera type use. I've got a use case where I want to be able to stream particular outdoor videos to an audience without requiring a lot of account setup or client-side requirements.
- bleepblorp 6y agoLook at outdoor cameras targeted at the commercial market, e.g. from Hikvision and similar brands. Solar is probably out of the question due to power requirements, but if you can run one Ethernet cable, there's a lot of cameras available that run from PoE and stream over RTSP, which can be proxied to YouTube (or AWS, etc) without much trouble. Cost will be considerably higher than for IoT residential junk, however.
- aivisol 6y agoHikvision cameras are good, however they encode video in their own proprietary format (at least when I last checked) so you will have difficulties streaming them to anything that is not their make.
- pilsetnieks 6y agoThey use ordinary h264, the wonky encoding is the proprietary storage container format. For streaming you can just use bog standard RTSP.
- aivisol 6y agoInteresting. I am no way an expert in video encoding, but is there a way to get it streamed to the browser? I have a bunch of hikvisions but so far I am using it either through their Android app, or an ancient Firefox plugin.
- ehnto 6y agoThat's a really slick hardware piece, awesome work on that front.
- driesdep 6y agoSuper thanks! <3
- driesdep 6y agobtw, I also made Die With Me, the chat app you can only use when you have less than 5% battery. https://driesdepoorter.be/diewithme/ https://driesdepoorter.be/diewithme/ This is a little ad ;)
- GaryNumanVevo 6y agoI totally remember this one! I kept an old android phone on like 4% battery and kept putting it on and off the charger to stay chatting with people. Good times.
- therealdrag0 6y agoYour portfolio is fantastic. Really smart/clever stuff. Usually I feel like the "technology" based art I see in galleries is just trash. But this is a real solid counter point :)
- avh02 6y agoWhen I think of art that combines tech and art - this is the kind of thing that comes to mind, I really like it. Some of the things you see attempting to combine technology and art is a serious con [0]. Don't get me wrong, the space mentioned in that link is famous (and notoriously difficult to get in to on a regular day). Some of the recordings were quite well tuned, but they basically set up a multispeaker system and played some noises on loop. People were meditating to the relaxing highway noises being played in a former power plant. It gets to some people's heads i guess. The event description would make you think it was a drug experience. [0] - http://singuhr.de/en/projects-2014/2020-2/eleven-songs/ http://singuhr.de/en/projects-2014/2020-2/eleven-songs/
- driesdep 6y agoThanks! For me it's super important that people can understand my art super easy. Art doesn't need to be difficult.
- mxxx 6y agoAnd Rothko just put paint on canvas. I’m not sure that technical complexity is the best benchmark with which to measure an art project, regardless of whether it’s an “art x tech” project.
- specialist 6y agoGreat point. Ouch. FWIW, I did a complete 180 wrt Rothko. Once I bothered to learn why others thought Rothko's works are important, I'm embarrassed by my prior dismissal.
- avh02 6y agoyeah, i guess so. Look, I can appreciate art, when the intention and meaning is legitimate - that is up to the audience to judge for themselves. When it's random crap being monetized as art (very pretentiously), I can't get behind it.
- adwi 6y agoLots of angles to attack "art" but monetization isn't one that applies here. This is extremely hard work to sell, time-consuming to create, and doesn't scale in any way that's compatible with an industry unpinned almost entirely by scarcity. Think about how much this would cost to prototype and build, and how much time the artist put into conceptualizing and creating it. Then think about the tiny subset of people who would want to (and had space to) live with pieces like this—no matter how cool they are. Even if a piece like this sold for $50k (which would put this artist in > 95th percentile of earners), take $25k off the top for the gallery, subtract out cost of materials and take into account maximum annual output and, factoring in value of his time, we're talking modest middle class money. Nevermind the endless schmoozing and strategic friendships and events and studio visits it takes to drum up any gallery/institutional/collector relationships... Kudos to the artist, keep fighting the good fight!
- pizza 6y agoWould be amazing if somebody made a search app that worked like this: "find me a sunset/seagull/mug/plant/<object> from anywhere in the world" It would use image recognition models that kept flipping through unsecured cctv/ipcams until the picture matched the search.
- ghj 6y agoAt that point you might as well make it useful and search all cctv for the face of some suspect. And of course with zoom and enhance features too. (memes aside, I am sure this tech already exists given how popular the idea is in tv shows and movies)
- apexalpha 6y agoShodan meets tensorflow?
- wwn_se 6y agoSunset is easier since it only requires knowledge of the camera location. No fancy stuff needed. Finding objects would require the full video feed being analysed.
- rane 6y agoLocation of the camera doesn't guarantee that a sunset is visible.
- driesdep 6y agoTrue, everything is based on time & location of the camera. I manually curated the cameras and made sure there is around 50% sky in the image. Also if the camera is not pointed perfectly to the sunset/sunrise you will most of the time see it based on the colors. A next step I want to integrate is that it will select the camera based on the amount of orange/red.
- dehrmann 6y agoI wonder if an empty 787-9 has 24 hours of endurance. Or some other plane. You could fly a plane along a latitude to film a continuous sunrise or sunset. Obviously, it'd be complicated when you're targeting a particular ground speed, need some support from air traffic control, are ignoring ETOPS, switching to metric flight levels, etc. And it'd be stupid expensive, but still.
- dehrmann 6y agoSide question: if you're flying west, take off in the morning, but fly faster than the sun moves across the sky, will you see a sunrise or a sunset in the east?
- dfcowell 6y agoYou will see a sunset behind you.
- stenl 6y agoI once departed Stockholm on Jan 1st, flying to San Francisco. The route goes north, across the polar circle and over Greenland, then south towards the US west coast. As we passed the polar circle, the sun set. A few hours later, we passed it again and the sun rose, only to set again as we approached the evening in US. So I got two sunrises, two days and two sunsets that single day, which I thought was so wonderful I still remember it.
- PietdeVries 6y agoYou'd need more than a regular 787, given that the circumference of the earth is 40.000 km so you'd have to fly roughly 1600 km/h or more than mach-1... Then again, that is when flying at the equator. Taking off further north/south would reduce the speed required to stay in sync with the rising or setting sun...
- piva00 6y agoGiven that the circumference of the Earth for a given latitude is easily approximate to cos(latitude) * 40000 km you can fly around 60 degrees north or south and be comfortably on the cruising speed of a 787 (~800 km/h).
- ohadron 6y agoShould be displayed next to this piece that shows the exact place of the sun at any given moment: https://nitzan-ron.com/Pointer https://nitzan-ron.com/Pointer
- driesdep 6y agoWaw really amazing work! Love it!
- DanielBMarkham 6y agoHey driesdep, I love the look of this! Meta question: are there any tips, pointers, tutorials, or classes you can recommend to make that beautiful metal enclosure you've built? It's a thing of beauty.
- driesdep 6y agoI think I'm just good at Google and trying stuff out :)
- odomojuli 6y agoThis is gorgeous. It's obvious but I'm kind of humbled by the idea that you could just watch someone start their day and someone end their day at any given point of time or space on this Earth. Feels distinctly Buddhist in some way.
- rswail 6y agoI remember years ago seeing an ad for a mobile phone with one guy watching the sun go down saying "Is it there yet?" and then the other person seeing it come up and saying "It's here". Just tried to find it, but my google-fu skills aren't working, or I just imagined it. Either or both are distinctly possible.
- driesdep 6y agoOeee sounds very interesting!
- adkaplan 6y agoThis was a real ad. i remember it too :) no clue who for.
- redfern314 6y agoSlightly different than what you're describing, but same concept: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbtvTuivJu8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbtvTuivJu8
- willcipriano 6y agoChecked out the artists blog and found this: https://driesdepoorter.be/quickfix/ https://driesdepoorter.be/quickfix/ It's a art installation that allows you to buy likes on Instagram, Facebook, etc. Really interesting idea, shows how disposable those things are. It's amazing what people will do in order to get a couple of rows in the likes table of a social media website.
- driesdep 6y agoThanks for sharing! I'm btw the guy behind this project. When Quick Fix is showed in an exhibition a lot of young people try it. Some try it for 1 dollar and come back later with 10 dollar. Since a few months Quick Fix is a lot asked for those 'Instagram museums'. I hope it shows how easy it is to blow up the numbers on social.
- bschne 6y agoWait, so you mean places like the Museum of Ice Cream and the likes, with installations somewhat obviously targeted at people who want to photograph and post them, want to have this available on-site? I wonder if the people don't realize the irony or if they are beyond the point of seeing anything "wrong" or strange about paying to inflate their like counts.
- Hitton 6y agoI think it tells us something about nature of "art", what it is and what it used to be. Just not sure what. It's funny how easily can "unsavoury botting and spamming" become an "art installation". Also makes you wonder what exactly is difference between "art" project linked above and like/follower vending machine (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xw8yv3/russian-vending-machine-fake-instagram-likes https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xw8yv3/russian-vending-ma...).
- andytgl 6y agoThis reminds me of “The Little Prince” who could watch 43 sunsets per day due to the tiny size of his asteroid. Now we can do it too
- tiborsaas 6y agoWhat a beautifully designed hardware controller, so much attention to details.
- driesdep 6y agoSuper thanks! Makes me happy that people see that :)
- simonebrunozzi 6y agoBrilliant. I can easily see a product like this, customizable, for sale. I bet there would be thousands of customers in the world interested in buying something like this. Big margins too.
- driesdep 6y agoVery good idea :) Let's go!