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Came here to praise disc detainer locks. It's the only major type of lock I haven't been able to pick within a reasonable timeframe. Normally once you learn h
by Uberphallus 6y ago
Came here to praise disc detainer locks.
It's the only major type of lock I haven't been able to pick within a reasonable timeframe.
Normally once you learn how to pick a certain model of lock, another lock of the same model will fall within 10 min, broadly speaking, and most cheap locks in just seconds.
Disc detainer lock's design just prevents you from freely accessing each of the discs except with specialized tools, and there's no feedback from any spring, so there's no "touch" or "feeling" you can learn.
That leaves to brute force all "combinations" from the innermost to the outermost disc as the only way to pick it.
In a 8 disc, 4 "angle" lock like the one I have to practice, that means 4096 combinations. With a very optimistic 1 sec per combination, on average you need 34 minutes per lock.
At that point it's less suspicious to use a drill or an angle grinder to open what you want to open.
- hipokampa 6y agoYou would have to be very unlucky to take 34 minutes[1]. After mere 75 tries (seconds) the chances are >50%. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem
- speakeron 6y agoThe birthday problem isn't applicable here, because you're trying to match a specific combination rather than looking for any matching pair. So the average number of attempts needed is indeed 4096/2. This is the same as the difference between a preimage (specific input) attack and a collision (any pair of inputs) attack on a hash algorithm[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preimage_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preimage_attack