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They can continue to use the PlayStation store, continue to have exclusive games, and need not see any difference except by choice. What is the downside?
by tass 6y ago
They can continue to use the PlayStation store, continue to have exclusive games, and need not see any difference except by choice.
What is the downside?
- dleslie 6y agoThe hardware prices increase due to the loss of license fee revenue.
- loup-vaillant 6y agoConsole vendors aren't allowed to sell hardware at a loss. The price increase would be mild… and a truer reflection of the costs of owning a console (less hidden costs from the walled garden aspects).
- dleslie 6y agoSony took a loss on PS4 sales: https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/09/20/sony-to-take-a-loss-on-playstation-4-sales/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/09/20/sony-to-tak... This is normal. The price increase would not have been mild - at the time this was written, it was the cost of a full game. When most only own a handful of games that's a significant difference.
- loup-vaillant 6y agoI stand corrected, thanks. Tells us something about the real price of that console, though. People don't see the price of the walled garden, since (i) it's always been this way, and (ii) it looks like the garden is providing flowers (in the form of a store). Such hidden (or externalised) costs are a bit of a lie. I'd rather be aware of the true price of what I'm buying.
- dleslie 6y agoFlowers without weeds and gardens largely free of pests.
- loup-vaillant 6y agoOkay, this is where the analogy breaks down: one can totally have a non exclusive app store where people are guaranteed a certain level of quality, and a reasonable expectation of not downloading malware. For instance: Steam. The only thing non-exclusive stores can't do is protect people from themselves. And even then you could still have the kid gloves on by default, yet let people take them off whenever they want. For instance by displaying some mildly scary warning about some program not being verified by the OS vendor, and then still let people click on the "install anyway" button. (The "Windows protected your PC" popup would be like that, though I think it overshoots to the point of dishonesty.)
- dleslie 6y agoSteam is a poor example because it's both full of shovelware and its products are plagued by cheaters. I'm a PC Gamer myself, but I also stopped playing anything ranked. There's no point.
- esperent 6y agoConsole stores are not better in that regard though. I've heard plenty of complaints about the amount of trash in the Nintendo store, for example. All you're guaranteed with a vendor store is a lock of malware.
- smileybarry 6y agoSteam (almost[1]) nails the malware-free part, but people's drive to make it open to all and not fully curated (to remove AAA biases) also led to it becoming full of shovelware and "baby's first game" products. Conversely, Epic Games Store is doing the complete opposite with a heavily-curated store and a tightly-controlled catalog. [1] https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/steam-game-allegedly-mining-cryptocurrency/ https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/steam-game-allegedly-mi...
- smileybarry 6y agoThis is more of an anecdote as someone already linked the PS4 example, but: Sony lost on each sale of the PS3, sometimes a lot ($300 on launch), for years. After 4 years, they still lost around $18 per unit lost[1]. It was a costly bet that ended up not working out for them as the PS3 continued to be expensive to manufacture, while also being too complicated to program effectively. (Worse ports, perceived lower performance due to SMT differences compared to the 360, etc.) [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/sony-still-losing-on-every-playstation-3-it-sells/ https://www.cnet.com/news/sony-still-losing-on-every-playsta...