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> The exasperated/condescending tone of your comment is really inappropriate, given the number of specious and economically fallacious arguments contained in it
by comex 6y ago
> The exasperated/condescending tone of your comment is really inappropriate, given the number of specious and economically fallacious arguments contained in it.
Your own comment is considerably more condescending. As for speciousness...
> There's a negative correlation between government spending levels as a percentage of GDP, and economic growth rates. Your implication, that society is better off with high levels of taxation, is not supported by the science on the matter.
That correlation is disputed, to say the least. Even if it weren't, economic growth rates, while important, are not the be-all and end-all of society being "better", especially when a large amount of the wealth is concentrated in a few hands.
>>Fourth, this effectively ignores that wealth is a thing that grows and compounds. If your wealth is increasing at 4% a year (very attainable for the class of people a wealth tax would affect) a 1% wealth tax really doesn't have as big an impact on your long term wealth as this makes it seem.
> Wrong. The losses also have to be compounded. That 1%, had it remained invested, would have grown at a compounding rate as well. So you lose the 1% and all compounded gains on it.
Perhaps. But a 4% rate of increase would still belie the contention in pg's post that "by 5% [the threshold at which the tax starts] is getting close to being an upper bound on how much of the company you get to keep". It seems probable that pg simply did not take interest into account.
> Government spending as a percentage of GDP has increased from 25% in the 1950s to 40% today. Social welfare spending increased by an average of 4.8%, EVERY YEAR, between 1972 and 2010.
Over the same period, the share of income going to the top 1% doubled.
> How much more do you think government spending should increase? What share of private economic output should be non-consensually redistributed for social welfare programs in your mind?
> Will there ever reach a stage where you think the negative effects on capital formation, from further tax hikes, will outweigh the positive effects of a greater share of economic output being available to the poor in the form of cash payments and social services?
Ever? Certainly, if you keep cranking up the number. But the United States isn't necessarily at or even near that stage, considering that several large European countries have strong economies despite much higher government spending as a percentage of GDP.
- CryptoPunk 6y ago>>That correlation is disputed, to say the least. Even if it weren't, economic growth rates, while important, are not the be-all and end-all of society being "better", especially when a large amount of the wealth is concentrated in a few hands. The correlation is plainly evident in the datasets. It's a very strong correlation that has been widely observed and studied. >>It seems probable that pg simply did not take interest into account. It's possible he did. Regardless, PG clearly laid out why such taxes are absolutely disastrous for both the incentives to start companies and the expansion rate of existing companies. You can fiddle around with the numbers, and the basic conclusion wouldn't change. >> Even if it weren't, economic growth rates, while important, are not the be-all and end-all of society being "better", especially when a large amount of the wealth is concentrated in a few hands. Economic growth rates strongly correlate with improvements in overall socieconomic metrics. See my comment in the other discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24207752 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24207752 >>But the United States isn't necessarily at or even near that stage, considering that several large European countries have strong economies despite much higher government spending as a percentage of GDP. The US and large European countries have all seen their economic and wage growth rates stagnate since 1970. This is disastrous for the objective of improving quality of life. Nothing has a larger long-term impact on quality of life than per capita GDP. Productivity growth is the basis of nearly every improvement in people's living conditions. Of course, Western countries still have strong economies. Other countries cannot catch up to three centuries of superior industrial development in a single generation. But the rate of improvement has stagnated, and other less social democratic countries have closed their gap with the West, so there is absolutely no reason to assume the last 50 years' experiment in social democracy has been a success.
- nec4b 6y ago>>That correlation is disputed, to say the least. By whom?