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> no matter what you may think of him as a person, it is a good strategy The thing about Jordan Peterson's book is that the chapter titles are usually _great a

> no matter what you may think of him as a person, it is a good strategy The thing about Jordan Peterson's book is that the chapter titles are usually _great advice_, but the content always tends to slide into his strange, mediocrely researched conservative ramblings and sometime worse, at one point he just about admitts that he blames one of his women patients for her own rape, at others he veers right into granddad style rants about young people and their "progressive politics" ruining the world. Honestly it's a bad book and people would be better off literally just reading the Quora question and answer that inspired it.

NoOneNew 6y ago
What page was that rape on? I don't remember reading it.
adamgia 6y ago
Well, you can't please everyone - in this case your interpretation is a stretch to say the least (Just about admits blaming a patient for their rape? Where did you get that?) and it sounds like you have a problem with conservatives (which I wouldn't say JBP is) rather than the actual book/author.
- ironic_ali 6y ago
  Well said. I would also like the source to him blaming a patient for their rape.
- libtarred 6y ago
  > it sounds like you have a problem with conservatives What's wrong with that? They tend to be the most callous, most uncaring, and most bigoted amongst us. Psychological studies back this up, by the way.
  - gridlockd 6y ago
    So your bigotry is justified because conservatives as a cohort exhibit elevated levels of certain unfavorable attributes?
    - libtarred 6y ago
      If having a problem with callousness and bigotry is in itself bigoted, then yes sure, whatever.
      - gridlockd 6y ago
        No, having a problem with republicans as a group just because on average they are more callous or bigoted, that is bigotry. Suppose that black people are, on average, more homophobic than white people[1]. I have a problem with homophobia and homophobic people, not black people as a group, because I can differentiate between the group and the individual. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia_in_ethnic_minority_communities#Black_community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia_in_ethnic_minority_...
ironic_ali 6y ago
> at one point he just about admitts that he blames one of his women patients for her own rape Source please.
DjiboutiJon 6y ago
Disclaimer: I am a great admirer of Jordan Peterson, John Vervaeke, and other professors who are researching meaning. > he just about admitts that he blames one of his women patients for her own rape I think you've done a fantastic job strawmanning the chapter and book and man to the first story of the chapter to suit your ideological frame of reference. The chapter for anyone who wants to read it for themselves is Chapter 9: Assume the person you are listening to might know something you don't. See any irony between that and the immediate shutting down of any insight he might of had because of a biasing mechanism? > Honestly it's a bad book I think you are doing many people seeking meaning and stress relief at this time a huge disservice with this comment. It's a tough book, not for everyone. Written for people who like ideas and need wisdom in my estimation. Anyone who wants to understand 12 rules for life better after their first read through- I recommend the youtube series where Jordan goes through the Bible's stories. I know you may have shunted that off because you are not religious. I'm not either but what the series is- is Jordan Peterson basically explaining his life's work into the wisdom and psychology of ancient stories humanity has kept alive for our existence. Take care
- gridlockd 6y ago
  I think your admiration might be clouding your judgement. JP is a great orator, but a poor writer. He's also not a good narrator of his own writings. I therefore can't recommend his books in any form. You can get the gist of his ideas from his videos.
  - DjiboutiJon 6y ago
    I think that is fair- I can't judge whether it is a tough book, or a poorly written book, or an unusual book even. I still however this this comment is unjustified assuming "bad book" means bad in the all-encompassing sense: > Honestly it's a bad book and people would be better off literally just reading the Quora question and answer that inspired it.

NoOneNew 6y ago

What page was that rape on? I don't remember reading it.

adamgia 6y ago

Well, you can't please everyone - in this case your interpretation is a stretch to say the least (Just about admits blaming a patient for their rape? Where did you get that?) and it sounds like you have a problem with conservatives (which I wouldn't say JBP is) rather than the actual book/author.

ironic_ali 6y ago
Well said. I would also like the source to him blaming a patient for their rape.
libtarred 6y ago
> it sounds like you have a problem with conservatives What's wrong with that? They tend to be the most callous, most uncaring, and most bigoted amongst us. Psychological studies back this up, by the way.
- gridlockd 6y ago
  So your bigotry is justified because conservatives as a cohort exhibit elevated levels of certain unfavorable attributes?
  - libtarred 6y ago
    If having a problem with callousness and bigotry is in itself bigoted, then yes sure, whatever.
    - gridlockd 6y ago
      No, having a problem with republicans as a group just because on average they are more callous or bigoted, that is bigotry. Suppose that black people are, on average, more homophobic than white people[1]. I have a problem with homophobia and homophobic people, not black people as a group, because I can differentiate between the group and the individual. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia_in_ethnic_minority_communities#Black_community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia_in_ethnic_minority_...

ironic_ali 6y ago

> at one point he just about admitts that he blames one of his women patients for her own rape Source please.

DjiboutiJon 6y ago

Disclaimer: I am a great admirer of Jordan Peterson, John Vervaeke, and other professors who are researching meaning. > he just about admitts that he blames one of his women patients for her own rape I think you've done a fantastic job strawmanning the chapter and book and man to the first story of the chapter to suit your ideological frame of reference. The chapter for anyone who wants to read it for themselves is Chapter 9: Assume the person you are listening to might know something you don't. See any irony between that and the immediate shutting down of any insight he might of had because of a biasing mechanism? > Honestly it's a bad book I think you are doing many people seeking meaning and stress relief at this time a huge disservice with this comment. It's a tough book, not for everyone. Written for people who like ideas and need wisdom in my estimation. Anyone who wants to understand 12 rules for life better after their first read through- I recommend the youtube series where Jordan goes through the Bible's stories. I know you may have shunted that off because you are not religious. I'm not either but what the series is- is Jordan Peterson basically explaining his life's work into the wisdom and psychology of ancient stories humanity has kept alive for our existence. Take care

gridlockd 6y ago
I think your admiration might be clouding your judgement. JP is a great orator, but a poor writer. He's also not a good narrator of his own writings. I therefore can't recommend his books in any form. You can get the gist of his ideas from his videos.
- DjiboutiJon 6y ago
  I think that is fair- I can't judge whether it is a tough book, or a poorly written book, or an unusual book even. I still however this this comment is unjustified assuming "bad book" means bad in the all-encompassing sense: > Honestly it's a bad book and people would be better off literally just reading the Quora question and answer that inspired it.