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Right, and I'm arguing that none of these cited articles are valid evidence for that claim. Leaving aside the fact that his vague wording gives him enormous wig

Right, and I'm arguing that none of these cited articles are valid evidence for that claim. Leaving aside the fact that his vague wording gives him enormous wiggle room, i.e. "others" could refer to anything from professional archaeologists to the Ancient Aliens guy and "old things" could mean almost anything.

pmayrgundter 6y ago
A megalithic site, especially of that size, is the evidence of an advanced stone age civilization. Surprisingly, one existed thousands of years before what was long considered the oldest, the Egyptian pyramid builders.
- AlotOfReading 6y ago
  Uruk also predated the pyramids by a couple millennia and has been known for a pretty good while. Archaeologists also don't use the three-age typology (or the word "advanced" if possible) anymore. The surprise of gobekli-tepe is mostly in demonstrating once and for all that monumental construction isn't limited to fully sedentary peoples and doing so in a way the diffusionists can't argue with.
prox 6y ago
This is why a I think it is a bad article. He first proposes some far-outlier theories, which need extraordinary proof as he acknowledges himself. He does not give it in the article which propels his theory in the realm of fantasy. His article would be way more honest if he would describe it as pure speculation, instead of shoehorning all kinds of finds or theories into his flight of fancy. I mean it is a fantastical idea, and if we ever find a laptop from 10000bc I would be stunned, or if we find marsian burial chambers, but the probability just isn’t very high on what we observed sofar. That isn’t to say a lot is lost to history, which skews our interpretation, especially prehistorical, but that would warrant a different kind of article.
- LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
  You mean like https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/are-we-earths-only-civilization/557180/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/are-we-e... which links to https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.03748 https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.03748 ?

pmayrgundter 6y ago

A megalithic site, especially of that size, is the evidence of an advanced stone age civilization. Surprisingly, one existed thousands of years before what was long considered the oldest, the Egyptian pyramid builders.

AlotOfReading 6y ago
Uruk also predated the pyramids by a couple millennia and has been known for a pretty good while. Archaeologists also don't use the three-age typology (or the word "advanced" if possible) anymore. The surprise of gobekli-tepe is mostly in demonstrating once and for all that monumental construction isn't limited to fully sedentary peoples and doing so in a way the diffusionists can't argue with.

prox 6y ago

This is why a I think it is a bad article. He first proposes some far-outlier theories, which need extraordinary proof as he acknowledges himself. He does not give it in the article which propels his theory in the realm of fantasy. His article would be way more honest if he would describe it as pure speculation, instead of shoehorning all kinds of finds or theories into his flight of fancy. I mean it is a fantastical idea, and if we ever find a laptop from 10000bc I would be stunned, or if we find marsian burial chambers, but the probability just isn’t very high on what we observed sofar. That isn’t to say a lot is lost to history, which skews our interpretation, especially prehistorical, but that would warrant a different kind of article.

LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
You mean like https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/are-we-earths-only-civilization/557180/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/are-we-e... which links to https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.03748 https://arxiv.org/abs/1804.03748 ?