As a former H1-B: they refute absolutely nothing. The trick is either to hire experienced people into entry level positions (thereby paying them "more than mark

As a former H1-B: they refute absolutely nothing. The trick is either to hire experienced people into entry level positions (thereby paying them "more than market", and yet at the same time much less than they'd get if they were native - they'd be in senior roles then), or to employ a bunch of people in an Indian sweatshop on US soil, where no sane American will apply due to low pay, discrimination, and horrendous working conditions. Or, indeed, both. It is bizarre for me to see "progressive" people on HN support H1-B abuse, and be against H1-B reform.