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Without Facebook's capital and Zuckerberg's commitment to VR, I doubt the Quest would exist. That project was announced in 2016 and was likely in development fo
by ggreer 6y ago
Without Facebook's capital and Zuckerberg's commitment to VR, I doubt the Quest would exist. That project was announced in 2016 and was likely in development for a couple of years before that. Still it took until mid-2019 to be released to the public. IIRC, Carmack said that development on the Go was started after the Quest, yet the Go went to market a year sooner. I can only imagine what kind of hell it was to get a 2016 phone SoC to do VR with 6DOF inside-out tracking.
- ricardobeat 6y agoDid they really need Facebook's capital? The market was absolutely flooded with VC money, Magic Leap raised almost $3B since then.
- ccktlmazeltov 6y agoand did nothing, Oculus didn't just need money, but a competent team behind it.
- jayd16 6y agoThis isn't correct. There were/are a lot of inside out VR headsets. Oculus just happens to have a brand, a solid marketing presence, a solid product, the appearance of longevity etc. Facebook might have helped but from a purely technical perspective, Facebook wasn't the only path.
- schrep 6y agoWhat standalone 6DOF headset with 6DOF controllers existed in the market in 2019 besides the Quest? Or now? I certainly can’t think of one?
- just-ok 6y agoHow about Pico’s line of devices? https://www.pico-interactive.com/us/neo2.html https://www.pico-interactive.com/us/neo2.html
- jayd16 6y agoThe Lenovo Mirage Solo had 6DOF tracking with the Daydream controller. It had an experimental 6DOF controller add on but Google killed Daydream before that shipped. Inside out PC headsets exist with the camera setup for 6DOF inside out. Currently the Quest is the only Android based (and thus fully stand alone) headset that's wasn't Daydream branded and wasn't killed when Google mothballed their VR support. There's less now then there were, or would have been if Google stuck with it.
- ccktlmazeltov 6y agosorry but no, what Oculus has is a team of strong engineers
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- jayd16 6y agoLenovo did it before the Go released (or about the same). It was kind of gimped because they went with the Daydream controller instead of full controllers but the headset itself was roomscale VR. It was also bigger and not as comfortable but worked on a previous gen SOC to the Quest. Check out the Lenovo Mirage Solo.
- ggreer 6y agoSince it only had two front-facing cameras, the Mirage Solo would have required extra hardware to track any controllers. Also I don't think there was ever an app for it that let you walk two steps away from the origin. The only truly room scale thing I saw was a demo written by some developers. They had to put the headset in dev mode and disable a bunch of safety mechanisms. I wonder if this limitation was imposed to minimize drift.
- jayd16 6y agoI developed on it and the limitation was mostly self imposed for safety/perf reasons. Its much easier to draw a consistent roomscale boundary on the Quest with the 6DOF controller. Without that its a real UX problem. Even the Quest is constantly asking to redraw the boundary. It was one of two SOC generations (as well as VR SDK gens) earlier and it was quite hard to build out a full room without a lot of perspective tricks. There was an experimental add on for 6DOF controllers https://developers.google.com/vr/experimental/6dof-controllers https://developers.google.com/vr/experimental/6dof-controlle... It really wasn't a fundamental technical leap to go from the Mirage to a Quest. The Quest feels like a (well thought out) iteration instead of a revolution compared to the Mirage Solo.
- sudosysgen 6y agoActually, not really. Inside out tracking runs on one core of my ancient AMD FX 6350 well enough. It was very doable.
- fomine3 6y agoYour ancient desktop CPU is powerful compared to Snapdragon 835 on Oculus Quest.
- sudosysgen 6y agoMy ancient CPU is actually slower corewise than a Snapdragon 835. It's embarrassingly slow, about as fast as the first i5, if that. The snapdragon 835 is almost twice as fast as it corewise, actually.
- fomine3 6y agoStill outperforming on most of benchmarks. https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/2817815 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/2817815 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/3344943 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/3344943