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I'm not convinced any of these things will be caused by demand shocks and material scarcity due to overpopulation, but rather, if at all, through coordination a

I'm not convinced any of these things will be caused by demand shocks and material scarcity due to overpopulation, but rather, if at all, through coordination and resource allocation failures (politics, war, corruption).

dougmwne 6y ago
My information on this topic comes from classes, books, scientific papers, and 8 years working in the environmental protection sector. There is a decades-old and growing scientific consensus that we have a multi-dimensional sustainability crisis incoming. And political factors are absolutely a part of this since shortages will happen regionally first and geopolitics will ensure that nations will act in self-interest. Things like the US-MX border wall and Brexit are arguably early impacts of climate change since it can be viewed as a strategic attempt to separate from areas likely to see large numbers of climate refugees in coming decades.
- 7373737373 6y ago
  Causality and motivation are complex issues, so I'd like to read a well founded elaboration of your last statement. Did long-term strategic considerations of these bureaucracies truly lead to such foresighted, high-level decisions by governments and the public? If so, climate change might have been only an aspect of this.
  - dougmwne 6y ago
    Here's a taste at least[1]. You have both a former VP and the US military warning of climate influenced political instability. These ideas are definitely out there and circulating as part of the decision making process on things like homeland security. Books are written[2] and think tanks produce analyses[3]. Not everyone in our governments have goldfish attention spans and their information sources go beyond news-entertainment. I would never claim this is the only factor, but the ideas are out there and taken seriously. [1]https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/brexit-climate-change-al-gore-says-global-warming-syria-war-helped-leave-vote-a7645866.html https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/brexit-climate-cha... [2]https://www.amazon.com/Storming-Wall-Migration-Homeland-Security/dp/0872867153 https://www.amazon.com/Storming-Wall-Migration-Homeland-Secu... [3]http://www.ourenergypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/IssueBrief_Climate_Change_Security_Implications.pdf http://www.ourenergypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Is...

dougmwne 6y ago

My information on this topic comes from classes, books, scientific papers, and 8 years working in the environmental protection sector. There is a decades-old and growing scientific consensus that we have a multi-dimensional sustainability crisis incoming. And political factors are absolutely a part of this since shortages will happen regionally first and geopolitics will ensure that nations will act in self-interest. Things like the US-MX border wall and Brexit are arguably early impacts of climate change since it can be viewed as a strategic attempt to separate from areas likely to see large numbers of climate refugees in coming decades.

7373737373 6y ago
Causality and motivation are complex issues, so I'd like to read a well founded elaboration of your last statement. Did long-term strategic considerations of these bureaucracies truly lead to such foresighted, high-level decisions by governments and the public? If so, climate change might have been only an aspect of this.
- dougmwne 6y ago
  Here's a taste at least[1]. You have both a former VP and the US military warning of climate influenced political instability. These ideas are definitely out there and circulating as part of the decision making process on things like homeland security. Books are written[2] and think tanks produce analyses[3]. Not everyone in our governments have goldfish attention spans and their information sources go beyond news-entertainment. I would never claim this is the only factor, but the ideas are out there and taken seriously. [1]https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/brexit-climate-change-al-gore-says-global-warming-syria-war-helped-leave-vote-a7645866.html https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/brexit-climate-cha... [2]https://www.amazon.com/Storming-Wall-Migration-Homeland-Security/dp/0872867153 https://www.amazon.com/Storming-Wall-Migration-Homeland-Secu... [3]http://www.ourenergypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/IssueBrief_Climate_Change_Security_Implications.pdf http://www.ourenergypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Is...