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What happens if you were banned from Facebook (for example political censorship or other possible reasons I can't think of off the top of my head)? Is your Ocul

by Keverw 6y ago

What happens if you were banned from Facebook (for example political censorship or other possible reasons I can't think of off the top of my head)? Is your Oculus device bricked and useless? I'm a fan of Oculus, but this is a bit of a turn off. But I guess if Apple makes their own VR headset, they probably require an Apple account but Apple isn't really a social network so feel less of a risk, same for Microsoft's Mixed Reality headsets too I'd imagine. Then your purchases and stuff are lost too, I guess as WebXR matures though maybe there will be some great apps you can just pay directly for on the web, but I feel like if rumors of Apple making a headset they'll just skip WebXR and force the app store... I know other headsets including the Oculus supports WebXR but sorta feels like it's a conflict of interest to their own stores to me so wonder how much more advanced it'll get.

cma 6y ago
Apple is now using the notarization system on desktop to ban apps from companies that broke iOS App Store rules, so you could for instance get your drone strike death toll app that was making a political statement taken down and lose your desktop notarization (which was supposed to be about security only) on a totally unrelated app in retaliation.
- Keverw 6y ago
  Yeah seen that Apple is doing that for Epic's Fortnight. Won't be able to sign for Mac, but people could still install it if they turn off gatekeeper which I doubt many people would mess with, been a while since I've done that myself since I use dev tools. I think now on Catalina and newer Mac versions even more steps. Used to be a checkbox, but I think you have to use the terminal now? Never really worked with Unreal but wonder if this will affect other games using their engine, not sure if there's like signed dylibs and stuff. All this security stuff is cool but in a way more control. It's like you paid all this money for something but in a way you don't really own it. Like some graphic card company sells graphic cards including server graphic cards, but their driver's EULA doesn't allow you to use your desktop cards for server use. I guess the hardware being used 24/7 wasn't designed for that, but sounds like they should deny your warranty then instead of turning it into a copyright issue. Some game streaming company ran into this problem.
  - 1f60c 6y ago
    If you Option-click an app, it gives you the option to run the app even if it's not signed. No disabling of Gatekeeper required.
    - Keverw 6y ago
      Oh yeah right click open too. I’ve done that before but thought maybe I’ve disabled Gatekeeper in the past on my machine.
    - smileybarry 6y ago
      Discoverability for that is hell, though. If you don't already know about it from a friend, finding out your app isn't a virtual paperweight requires going down a knowledgebase rabbit hole: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24217116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24217116
  - FriendlyNormie 6y ago
    It’s astonishing how many of you isolated fucking nerds on this site don’t know how to spell Fortnite because you never interact with normal people. It’s a good reminder that no one should listen to your worthless opinions.
soulofmischief 6y ago
This creates a chilling effect which puts my first ammendment rights at risk as an American, and it should be (and probably is if anyone actually bothered to correctly interpret the law anymore) illegal.
- coldpie 6y ago
  Facebook is a private corporation. The first amendment has no bearing on how Facebook decides to operate their business.
  - soulofmischief 6y ago
    We're talking about an open social platform which half the world's population uses, so it's effectively a public space and the fact that a simple political opinion could be enough to cancel my account means that when hundreds of dollars are on the line, my voice may be effectively silenced. It's a huge problem and even if you don't realize it now, it is going to be a huge political issue in the future.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
      And it has a simple solution, albeit an unsavory one to many of America's more free-market minded persons: If they are effectively a public space, then nationalize them and make it official.
      - stjohnswarts 6y ago
        That will never happen. The politician that sets it up will be voted out in the next election and everything he's done will be undone. Even as progressive as I am I will never vote for anyone who wants to nationalize a private company. That's what the CCP does, not America.
        AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
        If America is unwilling to stomach nationalizing a private company, but will stomach privatizing a previously public domain, where do you think that's going to land us?
gfxgirl 6y ago
VR adult games is a growing genre. These are real time games and as the tech gets better they can be much more engaging than a static video. If Apple's device can't run them will that be significant in their adoption? On topic, it's a reason not to own an FB VR device as I really don't want FB knowing which apps I run (nor do I want Apple knowing which apps I run for that matter)
- Keverw 6y ago
  oh yeah heard VR Porn is a thing haha, never looked into it. Then remember hearing that the VCR won because the porn industry liked it more. I got a feeling Apple will ban those sort of apps unless they support WebXR... but kinda like with iOS PWA and other APIs support is lacking a bit in Safari compared to Android or Chrome. I know there's concerns Apple will dump WebGL since they deprecated OpenGL, but they should be able to create a shim on top of the metal APIs, since that was done for DirectX on Windows.
EmilioMartinez 6y ago
>What happens if you were banned from Facebook Your social credit goes down, of course

by Keverw 6y ago

cma 6y ago

Apple is now using the notarization system on desktop to ban apps from companies that broke iOS App Store rules, so you could for instance get your drone strike death toll app that was making a political statement taken down and lose your desktop notarization (which was supposed to be about security only) on a totally unrelated app in retaliation.

Keverw 6y ago
Yeah seen that Apple is doing that for Epic's Fortnight. Won't be able to sign for Mac, but people could still install it if they turn off gatekeeper which I doubt many people would mess with, been a while since I've done that myself since I use dev tools. I think now on Catalina and newer Mac versions even more steps. Used to be a checkbox, but I think you have to use the terminal now? Never really worked with Unreal but wonder if this will affect other games using their engine, not sure if there's like signed dylibs and stuff. All this security stuff is cool but in a way more control. It's like you paid all this money for something but in a way you don't really own it. Like some graphic card company sells graphic cards including server graphic cards, but their driver's EULA doesn't allow you to use your desktop cards for server use. I guess the hardware being used 24/7 wasn't designed for that, but sounds like they should deny your warranty then instead of turning it into a copyright issue. Some game streaming company ran into this problem.
- 1f60c 6y ago
  If you Option-click an app, it gives you the option to run the app even if it's not signed. No disabling of Gatekeeper required.
  - Keverw 6y ago
    Oh yeah right click open too. I’ve done that before but thought maybe I’ve disabled Gatekeeper in the past on my machine.
  - smileybarry 6y ago
    Discoverability for that is hell, though. If you don't already know about it from a friend, finding out your app isn't a virtual paperweight requires going down a knowledgebase rabbit hole: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24217116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24217116
- FriendlyNormie 6y ago
  It’s astonishing how many of you isolated fucking nerds on this site don’t know how to spell Fortnite because you never interact with normal people. It’s a good reminder that no one should listen to your worthless opinions.

soulofmischief 6y ago

This creates a chilling effect which puts my first ammendment rights at risk as an American, and it should be (and probably is if anyone actually bothered to correctly interpret the law anymore) illegal.

coldpie 6y ago
Facebook is a private corporation. The first amendment has no bearing on how Facebook decides to operate their business.
- soulofmischief 6y ago
  We're talking about an open social platform which half the world's population uses, so it's effectively a public space and the fact that a simple political opinion could be enough to cancel my account means that when hundreds of dollars are on the line, my voice may be effectively silenced. It's a huge problem and even if you don't realize it now, it is going to be a huge political issue in the future.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
    And it has a simple solution, albeit an unsavory one to many of America's more free-market minded persons: If they are effectively a public space, then nationalize them and make it official.
    - stjohnswarts 6y ago
      That will never happen. The politician that sets it up will be voted out in the next election and everything he's done will be undone. Even as progressive as I am I will never vote for anyone who wants to nationalize a private company. That's what the CCP does, not America.
      - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
        If America is unwilling to stomach nationalizing a private company, but will stomach privatizing a previously public domain, where do you think that's going to land us?

gfxgirl 6y ago

VR adult games is a growing genre. These are real time games and as the tech gets better they can be much more engaging than a static video. If Apple's device can't run them will that be significant in their adoption? On topic, it's a reason not to own an FB VR device as I really don't want FB knowing which apps I run (nor do I want Apple knowing which apps I run for that matter)

Keverw 6y ago
oh yeah heard VR Porn is a thing haha, never looked into it. Then remember hearing that the VCR won because the porn industry liked it more. I got a feeling Apple will ban those sort of apps unless they support WebXR... but kinda like with iOS PWA and other APIs support is lacking a bit in Safari compared to Android or Chrome. I know there's concerns Apple will dump WebGL since they deprecated OpenGL, but they should be able to create a shim on top of the metal APIs, since that was done for DirectX on Windows.

EmilioMartinez 6y ago

>What happens if you were banned from Facebook Your social credit goes down, of course