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This sounds a lot more like a vindictive or petty boss with an axe to grind than evil corporate policy gone awry. Corporate policies are like federal laws, ther

This sounds a lot more like a vindictive or petty boss with an axe to grind than evil corporate policy gone awry. Corporate policies are like federal laws, there are multiple mutually exclusive ways to violate them, but you only get held to account if you are subject to some attention.

adfm 6y ago
Interesting thought. I wonder what the difference between a vindictive boss and a vindictive Siri would be. If corporations have all the rights of an individual with none of the responsibilities, how does that play out when Siri starts applying corporate policy on your iLife? Corporations can be criminals, but only bodies can go to jail.[1] [1]: https://consumerist.com/2014/09/12/how-corporations-got-the-same-rights-as-people-but-dont-ever-go-to-jail/ https://consumerist.com/2014/09/12/how-corporations-got-the-...
- briandear 6y ago
  Corporations don’t have “all the rights of an individual.” You are making the common mistake of misunderstanding Citizens United. The majority wrote, "If the First Amendment has any force, it prohibits Congress from fining or jailing citizens, or associations of citizens, for simply engaging in political speech." The key thing in Citizens United isn’t that “corporations are people,” but that an association of people be the same First Amendment rights as an individual person. And that makes sense: a newspaper is published by a group of people, spending money to distribute their message. A newspaper editorial is published by the paper, not by the individual. So restricting an association of people’s First Amendment rights, you would necessarily restrict the right of a newspaper to publish, unless the newspaper is completely self-funded by the writer/publisher. So no, corporations don’t have all the rights of an individual, they can’t for example, vote in an election, join the military, hold elective office. A corporation is nothing more than a group of people sharing a common goal. A corporation is no different from a club, a union, a rock band, or an activist group. It’s just a legal structure that allows people to join together for some common purpose.
  - SpelingBeeChamp 6y ago
    That is a magnificent explanation. Well done.
  - adfm 6y ago
    Thank you for taking the time to make your point. Assuming that Siri enjoys the same First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendment rights as you or I, how does that play out when Siri starts applying corporate policy on your iLife?
at-fates-hands 6y ago
>> but you only get held to account if you are subject to some attention. I agree 100%. I was sales for a long time before getting out and going the developer route. As a sales person, you're constantly pushing the line and boundaries, but once you get one someone's radar (whatever level of management that is) then you get back on the straight and narrow pretty fast or you're on your way out. To me, it sounds an awful lot like he got on someone's radar and instead of jumping back on the straight narrow, continued to push the line and finally got caught and they axed him. It's so hard to fire someone from a corporate gig these days. You never have just once chance and they "investigate" and then you're let go. There are multiple warnings, write-ups, PIP's until HR has enough documentation to fire you if you continue to screw up. Clearly, this wasn't his first run in with the Apple HR team.
- ncmncm 6y ago
  > "You never have just once chance and they 'investigate' and then you're let go." That is absolutely untrue. I know of very many such events. In order to hold them to account, you need to be able to give up the severence allowance. They can easily tell from your credit report whether you can, and choose accordingly. It is very easy to believe this was the first run-in. Furthermore, the HN CoC requires that you presume so.
  - SpelingBeeChamp 6y ago
    Severance allowance? Do you have knowledge of Apple's practices around hiring and firing employees, or am I just not aware of this thing?
ncmncm 6y ago
An employer that permits such behavior is exactly that evil.
- golergka 6y ago
  This is the sort of thing that may not be evil by intent, just stupid - but definetly is evil by the consequences.

adfm 6y ago

Interesting thought. I wonder what the difference between a vindictive boss and a vindictive Siri would be. If corporations have all the rights of an individual with none of the responsibilities, how does that play out when Siri starts applying corporate policy on your iLife? Corporations can be criminals, but only bodies can go to jail.[1] [1]: https://consumerist.com/2014/09/12/how-corporations-got-the-same-rights-as-people-but-dont-ever-go-to-jail/ https://consumerist.com/2014/09/12/how-corporations-got-the-...

briandear 6y ago
Corporations don’t have “all the rights of an individual.” You are making the common mistake of misunderstanding Citizens United. The majority wrote, "If the First Amendment has any force, it prohibits Congress from fining or jailing citizens, or associations of citizens, for simply engaging in political speech." The key thing in Citizens United isn’t that “corporations are people,” but that an association of people be the same First Amendment rights as an individual person. And that makes sense: a newspaper is published by a group of people, spending money to distribute their message. A newspaper editorial is published by the paper, not by the individual. So restricting an association of people’s First Amendment rights, you would necessarily restrict the right of a newspaper to publish, unless the newspaper is completely self-funded by the writer/publisher. So no, corporations don’t have all the rights of an individual, they can’t for example, vote in an election, join the military, hold elective office. A corporation is nothing more than a group of people sharing a common goal. A corporation is no different from a club, a union, a rock band, or an activist group. It’s just a legal structure that allows people to join together for some common purpose.
- SpelingBeeChamp 6y ago
  That is a magnificent explanation. Well done.
- adfm 6y ago
  Thank you for taking the time to make your point. Assuming that Siri enjoys the same First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendment rights as you or I, how does that play out when Siri starts applying corporate policy on your iLife?

at-fates-hands 6y ago

>> but you only get held to account if you are subject to some attention. I agree 100%. I was sales for a long time before getting out and going the developer route. As a sales person, you're constantly pushing the line and boundaries, but once you get one someone's radar (whatever level of management that is) then you get back on the straight and narrow pretty fast or you're on your way out. To me, it sounds an awful lot like he got on someone's radar and instead of jumping back on the straight narrow, continued to push the line and finally got caught and they axed him. It's so hard to fire someone from a corporate gig these days. You never have just once chance and they "investigate" and then you're let go. There are multiple warnings, write-ups, PIP's until HR has enough documentation to fire you if you continue to screw up. Clearly, this wasn't his first run in with the Apple HR team.

ncmncm 6y ago
> "You never have just once chance and they 'investigate' and then you're let go." That is absolutely untrue. I know of very many such events. In order to hold them to account, you need to be able to give up the severence allowance. They can easily tell from your credit report whether you can, and choose accordingly. It is very easy to believe this was the first run-in. Furthermore, the HN CoC requires that you presume so.
- SpelingBeeChamp 6y ago
  Severance allowance? Do you have knowledge of Apple's practices around hiring and firing employees, or am I just not aware of this thing?

ncmncm 6y ago

An employer that permits such behavior is exactly that evil.

golergka 6y ago
This is the sort of thing that may not be evil by intent, just stupid - but definetly is evil by the consequences.