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Doesn’t seem safe? Honestly, what do you think will happen to this organization if it were to be headquartered in the US?

mcintyre1994 6y ago
Tongue in cheek - kind of? If a country can try banning the export of cryptography, why not try banning the export of programming languages to say China? After all US companies make lots of important ones!
qppo 6y ago
Disclaimer: I'm American. Our government has repeatedly made it policy to block access to software of domestic origin through export controls [0] [1] Historically I'd argue most nations could trust the US government only to wield economic sanctions against our adversaries, but the current administration has made all nations our adversary. I can see a real possibility of the current administration enacting export controls on the European Union for a perceived slight against the President, and Congress will not stop him. For example, if crates.io is an American-based software service, there is a real possibility that the US could ban the owners from allowing access from EU IPs. Granted, the same is true of GitHub, npm, freaking google... but the tl;dr is that I don't think you can trust us today or tomorrow. I don't trust my government, why should you? [0] https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/29/github-ban-sanctioned-countries https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/29/github-ban-sanctioned-coun... [1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/08/us-export-controls-and-published-encryption-source-code-explained https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/08/us-export-controls-and...
- johncolanduoni 6y ago
  All the countries from the first link have EU sanctions as well, and as long as the projects are on GitHub it won’t really make a difference even if there weren’t. I’m as appalled at our government’s foreign policy as the next person, but I would bet my bottom dollar on there not being a blanket government mandated EU IP ban in the next four years regardless of the election results. There’s a long way between tariffs and targeted export restrictions for the EU, and the lobbying to NOT cut off all US internet businesses from the EU would be insane.
  - qppo 6y ago
    You have far more faith than I do. If Trump wins a second term, they'll make a big show of negotiating a trade deal with Britain and the EU after Brexit is realized. If those negotiations break down they may use economic sanctions to show they mean business.
- Xylakant 6y ago
  > Historically I'd argue most nations could trust the US government only to wield economic sanctions against our adversaries, but the current administration has made all nations our adversary. https://www.dw.com/de/us-senatoren-drohen-sassnitz-zu-schaden/a-54556143 https://www.dw.com/de/us-senatoren-drohen-sassnitz-zu-schade... US senators are threatening sanctions against the German harbor town of Sassnitz https://www.dw.com/de/us-senatoren-drohen-sassnitz-zu-schaden/a-54556143 https://www.dw.com/de/us-senatoren-drohen-sassnitz-zu-schade... to prevent the nord stream gas pipeline from being built. They’d prefer if germany bought liquefied gas from the US. (It’s a bit more complicated than that, but the threat is a new escalation)
  - robocat 6y ago
    Google translation of that link: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dw.com%2Fde%2Fus-senatoren-drohen-sassnitz-zu-schaden%2Fa-54556143 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3...
mlindner 6y ago
> I can see a real possibility of the current administration enacting export controls on the European Union for a perceived slight against the President, and Congress will not stop him. For example, if crates.io is an American-based software service, there is a real possibility that the US could ban the owners from allowing access from EU IPs. This seems incredibly far fetched. Paranoia is a healthy practice but there is a point when it goes too far.
- Lyrex 6y ago
  I don't think it is. (disclaimer: I do live in the EU) The current US administration is already trying today to force close allies to conform to their will using economical pressure. I can imagine a future where this might escalate, so in my opinion forcing US companies to block certain origin countries if not that far fetched.

mcintyre1994 6y ago

Tongue in cheek - kind of? If a country can try banning the export of cryptography, why not try banning the export of programming languages to say China? After all US companies make lots of important ones!

qppo 6y ago

Disclaimer: I'm American. Our government has repeatedly made it policy to block access to software of domestic origin through export controls [0] [1] Historically I'd argue most nations could trust the US government only to wield economic sanctions against our adversaries, but the current administration has made all nations our adversary. I can see a real possibility of the current administration enacting export controls on the European Union for a perceived slight against the President, and Congress will not stop him. For example, if crates.io is an American-based software service, there is a real possibility that the US could ban the owners from allowing access from EU IPs. Granted, the same is true of GitHub, npm, freaking google... but the tl;dr is that I don't think you can trust us today or tomorrow. I don't trust my government, why should you? [0] https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/29/github-ban-sanctioned-countries https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/29/github-ban-sanctioned-coun... [1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/08/us-export-controls-and-published-encryption-source-code-explained https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/08/us-export-controls-and...

johncolanduoni 6y ago
All the countries from the first link have EU sanctions as well, and as long as the projects are on GitHub it won’t really make a difference even if there weren’t. I’m as appalled at our government’s foreign policy as the next person, but I would bet my bottom dollar on there not being a blanket government mandated EU IP ban in the next four years regardless of the election results. There’s a long way between tariffs and targeted export restrictions for the EU, and the lobbying to NOT cut off all US internet businesses from the EU would be insane.
- qppo 6y ago
  You have far more faith than I do. If Trump wins a second term, they'll make a big show of negotiating a trade deal with Britain and the EU after Brexit is realized. If those negotiations break down they may use economic sanctions to show they mean business.
Xylakant 6y ago
> Historically I'd argue most nations could trust the US government only to wield economic sanctions against our adversaries, but the current administration has made all nations our adversary. https://www.dw.com/de/us-senatoren-drohen-sassnitz-zu-schaden/a-54556143 https://www.dw.com/de/us-senatoren-drohen-sassnitz-zu-schade... US senators are threatening sanctions against the German harbor town of Sassnitz https://www.dw.com/de/us-senatoren-drohen-sassnitz-zu-schaden/a-54556143 https://www.dw.com/de/us-senatoren-drohen-sassnitz-zu-schade... to prevent the nord stream gas pipeline from being built. They’d prefer if germany bought liquefied gas from the US. (It’s a bit more complicated than that, but the threat is a new escalation)
- robocat 6y ago
  Google translation of that link: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dw.com%2Fde%2Fus-senatoren-drohen-sassnitz-zu-schaden%2Fa-54556143 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3...

mlindner 6y ago

> I can see a real possibility of the current administration enacting export controls on the European Union for a perceived slight against the President, and Congress will not stop him. For example, if crates.io is an American-based software service, there is a real possibility that the US could ban the owners from allowing access from EU IPs. This seems incredibly far fetched. Paranoia is a healthy practice but there is a point when it goes too far.

Lyrex 6y ago
I don't think it is. (disclaimer: I do live in the EU) The current US administration is already trying today to force close allies to conform to their will using economical pressure. I can imagine a future where this might escalate, so in my opinion forcing US companies to block certain origin countries if not that far fetched.