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Using Kotlin without IntelliJ tooling is a pain.
by mey 6y ago
Using Kotlin without IntelliJ tooling is a pain.
- pjmlp 6y agoThat is another of their goals, sell IntelJ licenses. Eclipse and VSCode plugins tend to be a bit behind, and good luck for other IDEs or editors.
- throwaway8941 6y agoBefore downvoting this comment further, take a look at their stated goals for the language. https://blog.jetbrains.com/kotlin/2011/08/why-jetbrains-needs-kotlin/ https://blog.jetbrains.com/kotlin/2011/08/why-jetbrains-need... >The next thing is also fairly straightforward: we expect Kotlin to drive the sales of IntelliJ IDEA.
- pilif 6y agoKotlin is available in the free community edition of IntelliJ and in Android Studio
- pjmlp 6y agoNaturally it is available on Android Studio, how else could Android team drive Kotlin adoption as Java replacement? As for community edition, try to debug Kotlin/Native with it.
- stickfigure 6y agoI find using any language without IntelliJ tooling to be a pain. Not sure that's relevant.
- freedomben 6y agoFWIW I strongly dislike IDEs and avoid them at all costs (my reasons are varied and off-topic, and controversial so I won't mention them now). I've been able to use Vim + plugins to develop in a dozen different languages/platforms except Java/Kotlin. While it is doable it is a nightmare compared to other langs. A ton of Java/Kotlin/etc code is written with the expectation that the user is using an IDE, in some places I've worked they ever require a specific IDE.
- wst_ 6y agoI see you have your reasons so I am not going to try to sway your opinion. But other languages I have experience with, recently, are Go and Rust and there is no better platform to code like the JetBrains IDEs. I've tried VSCode myself and I know people who were trying other platforms, VI included. It's just no comparison. Some people have strong preferences and that's fine but for general audience I strongly advise - try JetBrains IDE for your language od choice. Try it for a month and then go back to your old tool. In my case, JB IDEs are so convenient, accurate, feature rich and just fun to use that I find going back not pleasant experience.
- Descon 6y agoever try to use Swift without xCode?
- pjmlp 6y agoSwift and xcode are owned by Apple, for iOS/macOS/watchOS also owned by Apple, to replace Objective-C, also owned by Apple. Objective-C and Swift runtimes are also owned by Apple. Not the same kind of comparison.
- stepbeek 6y agoFwiw, I've found that working on Java without IntelliJ to be a pain. Imo it's way more feature-rich than VSCode or Eclipse at this point.