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Capital markets produced the the goods and services that make this forum possible. If you hate capitalism, you hate basically everything that got you to this co

Capital markets produced the the goods and services that make this forum possible. If you hate capitalism, you hate basically everything that got you to this conversation. So why not stop feeding into it, in the few obvious ways you can? Because it's fake, you don't hate capitalism if you like Hacker News, even if you think you can. Hacker News is literally owned and operated by venture capital firm

smoe 6y ago
There is a difference between being critical of something and hating it. And if you want to change a system, there are not many ways to do so without interacting with it. Say you happen to be born into a communist regime but dislike communism. Getting out of it might not be feasible for any reason ranging from not being allowed to, not having the means, to not wanting to leave your community behind. No matter if you now want to completely tear down the predominant social-economical systems or just tweak them, either way you going to have to interact with them. If you want to destroy capitalism, hacker news is probably not the most promising place to start. If your goal is to tweak it I actually think it is.
- microcolonel 6y ago
  > There is a difference between being critical of something and hating it. The original comment said “hate” not “is bad”; probably the source of a lot of the confusion in this thread lol. > If you want to destroy capitalism, hacker news is probably not the most promising place to start. If your goal is to tweak it I actually think it is. Idunno, even just calling it “bad” seems to imply that there are better things, which is not really a statement about “tweaking” anything. A statement in favour of tweaking capitalism would be something like “capitalism on its own can not reliably produce moral goods”.
  - dividedbyzero 6y ago
    > The original comment said “hate” not “is bad” I read that as a somewhat hyperbolic expression of dislike, like "I hate spinach" – strong dislike, but not actual hatred. I might actually say that I hate spinach, because I really can't stand the taste, but I don't feel hatred towards it. But yes, I guess that may have caused some misunderstanding. > just calling it “bad” seems to imply that there are better things, which is not really a statement about “tweaking” anything. Like an improved version of that thing. Case in point: My last batch of salsa verde was bad, too few tomatillos, too much seasoning, so I'll tweak the recipe with a note to make sure the rations there don't skew that way next time. I don't have to give up on my recipe for good, or on salsa verde for good, or on food for good. > A statement in favour of tweaking capitalism would be something like “capitalism on its own can not reliably produce moral goods”. There are different variantions of capitalism implemented around the world right now; there are parameters that can be tweaked, like with the German "soziale Marktwirtschaft", which was a version of a capitalist market-based economy with socialist elements. Even in the US, the flavor of capitalism in Roosevelt's day was quite a bit different from the one currently in place, I believe.

smoe 6y ago

There is a difference between being critical of something and hating it. And if you want to change a system, there are not many ways to do so without interacting with it. Say you happen to be born into a communist regime but dislike communism. Getting out of it might not be feasible for any reason ranging from not being allowed to, not having the means, to not wanting to leave your community behind. No matter if you now want to completely tear down the predominant social-economical systems or just tweak them, either way you going to have to interact with them. If you want to destroy capitalism, hacker news is probably not the most promising place to start. If your goal is to tweak it I actually think it is.

microcolonel 6y ago
> There is a difference between being critical of something and hating it. The original comment said “hate” not “is bad”; probably the source of a lot of the confusion in this thread lol. > If you want to destroy capitalism, hacker news is probably not the most promising place to start. If your goal is to tweak it I actually think it is. Idunno, even just calling it “bad” seems to imply that there are better things, which is not really a statement about “tweaking” anything. A statement in favour of tweaking capitalism would be something like “capitalism on its own can not reliably produce moral goods”.
- dividedbyzero 6y ago
  > The original comment said “hate” not “is bad” I read that as a somewhat hyperbolic expression of dislike, like "I hate spinach" – strong dislike, but not actual hatred. I might actually say that I hate spinach, because I really can't stand the taste, but I don't feel hatred towards it. But yes, I guess that may have caused some misunderstanding. > just calling it “bad” seems to imply that there are better things, which is not really a statement about “tweaking” anything. Like an improved version of that thing. Case in point: My last batch of salsa verde was bad, too few tomatillos, too much seasoning, so I'll tweak the recipe with a note to make sure the rations there don't skew that way next time. I don't have to give up on my recipe for good, or on salsa verde for good, or on food for good. > A statement in favour of tweaking capitalism would be something like “capitalism on its own can not reliably produce moral goods”. There are different variantions of capitalism implemented around the world right now; there are parameters that can be tweaked, like with the German "soziale Marktwirtschaft", which was a version of a capitalist market-based economy with socialist elements. Even in the US, the flavor of capitalism in Roosevelt's day was quite a bit different from the one currently in place, I believe.