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I think it should be discussed at about the same time that the fact that people use Macbooks to run Linuxes on. Let me address what seems to be your underlying

by eitland 16y ago

I think it should be discussed at about the same time that the fact that people use Macbooks to run Linuxes on. Let me address what seems to be your underlying motivation: Gnome/KDE aren't just rip offs. For many people, and for many use cases, Linux+Gnome or Linux+KDE is a WAY better choice than Mac OS X. In fact I wish Apple took some hints like for example giving us a choice of normal (as in Windows/KDE/Gnome like) window management.

sudont 16y ago
"Normal" window management is the reason I haven't jumped to Linux yet. The persistent muddle of window > application hierarchy is very annoying, especially for anyone who performs actions in headless GUI applications. Apple's UI hierarchy is completely different that Windows and Gnome, this is why application commands are represented in the menu bar, which is separate from a single window.
- jallmann 16y ago
  If UI what's holding you back, then you don't need Linux. I use Linux for many reasons. The desktop environment ranks very low among those reasons.
jokermatt999 16y ago
In fact I wish Apple took some hints like for example giving us a choice of normal (as in Windows/KDE/Gnome like) window management. As a lifelong Windows user who has continually heard about the superior UI of OS X, this is what's kept me from ever buying a Mac. I've tried a few out (I have some Mac user friends), and I just really hate the dock style. Similarly, it's also kept me from buying Windows 7 until I've had a chance to see how configurable the window management in that is.
- CrazedGeek 16y ago
  While W7's taskbar acts like OS X's by default, it's a single checkbox away from making it act like earlier Windows taskbars. (Still no virtual desktops though.)
  - jokermatt999 16y ago
    Thank you. Does that disable jumplists and such as well? Those seem useful; I just dislike the combined launcher/window and application grouping.
    - CrazedGeek 16y ago
      Jumplists seem to work fine. For reference: Right click on the taskbar, click Properties, and change Taskbar buttons to Never combine.
martythemaniak 16y ago
In fact I wish Apple took some hints like for example giving us a choice of normal (as in Windows/KDE/Gnome like) window management. We should form a support group. I'd had a macbook for close to 2 years now and I still can't get over how terrible and nonsensical the window management is. It's only my laziness that keeps me from installing Ubuntu on it.

by eitland 16y ago

sudont 16y ago

"Normal" window management is the reason I haven't jumped to Linux yet. The persistent muddle of window > application hierarchy is very annoying, especially for anyone who performs actions in headless GUI applications. Apple's UI hierarchy is completely different that Windows and Gnome, this is why application commands are represented in the menu bar, which is separate from a single window.

jallmann 16y ago
If UI what's holding you back, then you don't need Linux. I use Linux for many reasons. The desktop environment ranks very low among those reasons.

jokermatt999 16y ago

In fact I wish Apple took some hints like for example giving us a choice of normal (as in Windows/KDE/Gnome like) window management. As a lifelong Windows user who has continually heard about the superior UI of OS X, this is what's kept me from ever buying a Mac. I've tried a few out (I have some Mac user friends), and I just really hate the dock style. Similarly, it's also kept me from buying Windows 7 until I've had a chance to see how configurable the window management in that is.

CrazedGeek 16y ago
While W7's taskbar acts like OS X's by default, it's a single checkbox away from making it act like earlier Windows taskbars. (Still no virtual desktops though.)
- jokermatt999 16y ago
  Thank you. Does that disable jumplists and such as well? Those seem useful; I just dislike the combined launcher/window and application grouping.
  - CrazedGeek 16y ago
    Jumplists seem to work fine. For reference: Right click on the taskbar, click Properties, and change Taskbar buttons to Never combine.

martythemaniak 16y ago

In fact I wish Apple took some hints like for example giving us a choice of normal (as in Windows/KDE/Gnome like) window management. We should form a support group. I'd had a macbook for close to 2 years now and I still can't get over how terrible and nonsensical the window management is. It's only my laziness that keeps me from installing Ubuntu on it.