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> most of it is coming from the tokens and loot boxes bought by whales. Apple's money is coming from where exactly ? At $1000+ price, in gaming terminology tha

> most of it is coming from the tokens and loot boxes bought by whales. Apple's money is coming from where exactly ? At $1000+ price, in gaming terminology that is either "whales" or users who cannot afford it but are exploited/addicted to the "product". There are perfectly equivalent android phones for less than half that price. Ultimately apple and epic are lifestyle companies, you don't "need" either of them sure, that doesn't mean they are not providing value to the economy. > Would Apple be in their right to charge $25K fee I am sure Epic will gladly pay 25k or $250k fee which is exactly the point. $99 is great for indie developer not for large businesses. You may not want large businesses in the store, Many do, I want my apps not to stop working because the developer lost interest, I want the companies behind the apps not to go bankrupt . > We would they be within their right to charge a bandwidth fee like Amazon does with the Kindle Sure, the can charge reasonable or even cloud rates, or even better they don't need to provide the bandwidth at all or make it optional. Many developers I am sure are happy to host files with a CDN of their choosing, a provider they can negotiate their rate at scale .I am sure apple will object on user experience grounds. Google allows you to run your own store you can use your own CDN. Sure without playservices they make it hard, both Amazon and Samsung do deliver through it though. > The cost of credit card transaction is around 3% + $0.25/transaction That is the retail rate for a high end service provider like stripe. Apple (or any company doing $1M+/month) is not paying anywhere remotely close to that. In any other industry price scales with usage. Enterprise/ high volume customers do not pay retail, retail rates have a big per unit CAC associated with it b2b sales have CAC but it is not any linearly correlated to units. Customers normally at decent volumes can negotiate, Apple will not give any volume discounts. They can get away with it because of their control over the market. Epic does not care you and I are paying 30%. They care that they are paying the same 30%. Apple also does not care small developers are paying 30% or not, they want 30% from epic size customers.

scarface74 6y ago
Apple's money is coming from where exactly ? At $1000+ price, in gaming terminology that is either "whales" or users who cannot afford it but are exploited/addicted to the "product". So people are addicted to iPhones? Apple sells a $399 phone that is faster than any Android phone at any price. Apple will not give any volume discounts. They can get away with it because of their control over the market. Rumors are that they did in fact negotiate with Amazon, Netflix, and Hulu. They actually offered something of value.
- manquer 6y ago
  Of course they are addicted to apple brand. People accessor-ize apple products. A lot of people buy apple because it is aspirational, same reason people buy skins in games and many times neither can really afford to spend that kind of money. > Apple sells a $399 phone that is faster than any Android phone at any price. Google Pixel 3A is similarly priced product , it has higher resolution(2220x1080 / 1337x750) better camera (12.2+8 / 12+7), lighter(147g / 148g), larger(5.6inch/4.7inch), larger battery, better processor, a headphone jack (like the jack or not, not having it means you need airpods headset easily another $150 compared to $20-30 I can spend on a wired headset. And this is 2020 SE which Apple will typically for sell for next three years . Other competitors would have two more upgrades stretching the gap a lot more by 2022 when Apple will sell 2020 SE at the same price. You can perhaps argue that form factor, processor or battery is actually better in Apple, but any objective reasonable metric Apple SE is not significantly better than similar android phones. Apple is forced to deal with streaming companies, because they are not a large enough player, with big enough catalogue to dictate terms. Apple needs to license content from the same studios for themselves too, they screw over hulu, Apple TV is going to be screwed right back.

scarface74 6y ago

Apple's money is coming from where exactly ? At $1000+ price, in gaming terminology that is either "whales" or users who cannot afford it but are exploited/addicted to the "product". So people are addicted to iPhones? Apple sells a $399 phone that is faster than any Android phone at any price. Apple will not give any volume discounts. They can get away with it because of their control over the market. Rumors are that they did in fact negotiate with Amazon, Netflix, and Hulu. They actually offered something of value.

manquer 6y ago
Of course they are addicted to apple brand. People accessor-ize apple products. A lot of people buy apple because it is aspirational, same reason people buy skins in games and many times neither can really afford to spend that kind of money. > Apple sells a $399 phone that is faster than any Android phone at any price. Google Pixel 3A is similarly priced product , it has higher resolution(2220x1080 / 1337x750) better camera (12.2+8 / 12+7), lighter(147g / 148g), larger(5.6inch/4.7inch), larger battery, better processor, a headphone jack (like the jack or not, not having it means you need airpods headset easily another $150 compared to $20-30 I can spend on a wired headset. And this is 2020 SE which Apple will typically for sell for next three years . Other competitors would have two more upgrades stretching the gap a lot more by 2022 when Apple will sell 2020 SE at the same price. You can perhaps argue that form factor, processor or battery is actually better in Apple, but any objective reasonable metric Apple SE is not significantly better than similar android phones. Apple is forced to deal with streaming companies, because they are not a large enough player, with big enough catalogue to dictate terms. Apple needs to license content from the same studios for themselves too, they screw over hulu, Apple TV is going to be screwed right back.