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Question about the TOS: "However, by posting Content using Service you grant us the right and license to use, modify, publicly perform, publicly display, repro

Question about the TOS: "However, by posting Content using Service you grant us the right and license to use, modify, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce, and distribute such Content on and through Service. You agree that this license includes the right for us to make your Content available to other users of Service, who may also use your Content subject to these Terms" Does this mean I should have no expectation of privacy or control over anything I upload?

jimmyechan 6y ago
Your data is private and you own all of your data. We do not and will not share your data with anybody else unless you share it yourself through the sharing of projects, pipelines, endpoints, or exports. We do however store and process your data. We also let you generate endpoints so we need some wording to cover these cases. We'll double check our terms to make this point clearer, but we added this because you can generate live endpoints and you can share those.
- rapnie 6y ago
  Unfortunately IANAL and the formulation of the ToS/PP in your, and that of most other online service providers, always give me that naggy feeling that the legalese leaves so many loopholes, texts open to different interpretation, that effectively - even though it may seem so - I have no privacy guarantees whatsoever. That might be entirely unwarranted of me, but the feeling is there. Unease.
  - gwd 6y ago
    > even though it may seem so - I have no privacy guarantees whatsoever. I mean, fundamentally, really consistent security is hard; and the best you can reasonably expect from someone you're not paying is "best effort". For them to make real promises about security opens them up to being sued if they fail; it's not really reasonable to ask someone to do that unless you're paying them a reasonable chunk of cash to offset that risk.
    - rapnie 6y ago
      Sorry, but this almost feels like a GPT-3 response to me. I don't see what security, paid vs. free or best-effort has got to do with my argument, which is that the loopholes in legalese are so hard to spot for anyone but a lawyer, that effectively my data might still be used in any way and possibly against my wishes or expectations (but which becomes legal when I consent to the PP and ToC).
Oranj 6y ago
We have also stumbled upon this point in the T&C. A real show-stopper for us as we are planning to work with sensitive client data.
- jimmyechan 6y ago
  We're working on an on-prem / self-hosted version Dropbase that will better address use cases where sensitive data needs to stay within the company. Would you mind describing the kind of data you work with and which constraints you're subject to?

jimmyechan 6y ago

Your data is private and you own all of your data. We do not and will not share your data with anybody else unless you share it yourself through the sharing of projects, pipelines, endpoints, or exports. We do however store and process your data. We also let you generate endpoints so we need some wording to cover these cases. We'll double check our terms to make this point clearer, but we added this because you can generate live endpoints and you can share those.

rapnie 6y ago
Unfortunately IANAL and the formulation of the ToS/PP in your, and that of most other online service providers, always give me that naggy feeling that the legalese leaves so many loopholes, texts open to different interpretation, that effectively - even though it may seem so - I have no privacy guarantees whatsoever. That might be entirely unwarranted of me, but the feeling is there. Unease.
- gwd 6y ago
  > even though it may seem so - I have no privacy guarantees whatsoever. I mean, fundamentally, really consistent security is hard; and the best you can reasonably expect from someone you're not paying is "best effort". For them to make real promises about security opens them up to being sued if they fail; it's not really reasonable to ask someone to do that unless you're paying them a reasonable chunk of cash to offset that risk.
  - rapnie 6y ago
    Sorry, but this almost feels like a GPT-3 response to me. I don't see what security, paid vs. free or best-effort has got to do with my argument, which is that the loopholes in legalese are so hard to spot for anyone but a lawyer, that effectively my data might still be used in any way and possibly against my wishes or expectations (but which becomes legal when I consent to the PP and ToC).

Oranj 6y ago

We have also stumbled upon this point in the T&C. A real show-stopper for us as we are planning to work with sensitive client data.

jimmyechan 6y ago
We're working on an on-prem / self-hosted version Dropbase that will better address use cases where sensitive data needs to stay within the company. Would you mind describing the kind of data you work with and which constraints you're subject to?