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It just isn't something most people buying electronics care about, and there are real tradeoffs with size, weight, and aesthetic design choices. Combine those f

by creato 6y ago

It just isn't something most people buying electronics care about, and there are real tradeoffs with size, weight, and aesthetic design choices. Combine those factors, and it's easy to see why the economics don't work. Making your device easily serviceable makes it more attractive to a tiny segment of the market, while making it less attractive to a much bigger segment.

rasz 6y ago
Right to repair is not about redesigning products to become easily serviceable, its about access to same tools and parts manufacturer uses for its own internal service.
- novok 6y ago
  That can lead to a full on 'only replace' strategy, as you can see with canon's consumer printers.
  - R0b0t1 6y ago
    Unfortunately 'only replace' does seem to be workable for many devices, like TVs. At most you will be replacing entire boards.
kiba 6y ago
There's a difference between intentionally making a device harder to repair and making design tradeoff to satisfy certain consumer preference.
munk-a 6y ago
I disagree that making your device easily serviceable necessarily makes it less attractive to that portion of the population. I think that making your device brittle, fragile and easy to tamper with makes it less attractive to that portion of the population - having open documentation about the ways to approach repair and then letting the electronics repair shops all be able to repair your device makes it really attractive to pretty much all of the population. If your ease of repair comes at the cost of quality people will complain about the lack of quality - but nobody specifically wants something that can only be repaired by one market entrant that has full control over the price of repairs. Also, if you really want to emphasize quality you can run a repair certification program that distributes high priced stickers to aide in people's confidence.
- richrichardsson 6y ago
  I think the point was that making it easier to repair will compromise something like device size or weight, making it less attractive to the larger portion of the population. If they could provide the same form factor and make it easily repairable, then I think you would be right that would be attractive to all, however I think small size and repairability are mutually exclusive properties.
  - wsay 6y ago
    Ten minutes watching YouTube will demonstrate that amateurs are certainly capable of repairing todays devices, even down to something small like an apple watch, so small size and reparability are clearly not mutually exclusive. Why would they be anyway? Certified repair technicians aren't magic, they just have access to training, parts and tools that help.
    - 14 6y ago
      You should see the insanely tiny pads I had to solder to on my Xbox 360 to install the RGH mod. With a 10$ solder iron, homemade flux, miracle I was able to do it. But I did repeat it and given the same incentive even if they made it smaller next time I would get some jewellers glasses and a better iron.

by creato 6y ago

rasz 6y ago

Right to repair is not about redesigning products to become easily serviceable, its about access to same tools and parts manufacturer uses for its own internal service.

novok 6y ago
That can lead to a full on 'only replace' strategy, as you can see with canon's consumer printers.
- R0b0t1 6y ago
  Unfortunately 'only replace' does seem to be workable for many devices, like TVs. At most you will be replacing entire boards.

kiba 6y ago

There's a difference between intentionally making a device harder to repair and making design tradeoff to satisfy certain consumer preference.

munk-a 6y ago

I disagree that making your device easily serviceable necessarily makes it less attractive to that portion of the population. I think that making your device brittle, fragile and easy to tamper with makes it less attractive to that portion of the population - having open documentation about the ways to approach repair and then letting the electronics repair shops all be able to repair your device makes it really attractive to pretty much all of the population. If your ease of repair comes at the cost of quality people will complain about the lack of quality - but nobody specifically wants something that can only be repaired by one market entrant that has full control over the price of repairs. Also, if you really want to emphasize quality you can run a repair certification program that distributes high priced stickers to aide in people's confidence.

richrichardsson 6y ago
I think the point was that making it easier to repair will compromise something like device size or weight, making it less attractive to the larger portion of the population. If they could provide the same form factor and make it easily repairable, then I think you would be right that would be attractive to all, however I think small size and repairability are mutually exclusive properties.
- wsay 6y ago
  Ten minutes watching YouTube will demonstrate that amateurs are certainly capable of repairing todays devices, even down to something small like an apple watch, so small size and reparability are clearly not mutually exclusive. Why would they be anyway? Certified repair technicians aren't magic, they just have access to training, parts and tools that help.
  - 14 6y ago
    You should see the insanely tiny pads I had to solder to on my Xbox 360 to install the RGH mod. With a 10$ solder iron, homemade flux, miracle I was able to do it. But I did repeat it and given the same incentive even if they made it smaller next time I would get some jewellers glasses and a better iron.