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> On a device I own... And that's the issue. The overwhelming body of evidence in recent years suggests Apple does not consider the devices they make to be "yo

> On a device I own... And that's the issue. The overwhelming body of evidence in recent years suggests Apple does not consider the devices they make to be "yours." Rather, their attitude seems to be that those devices forever belong to Apple, and Apple simply allows you to pay for the privilege of using them.

grishka 6y ago
Why didn't they make it a subscription at this point? Pay $100 per month, or your iPhone would lock and demand that you return it to an Apple Store.
- caf 6y ago
  It basically is that - most owners replace their iPhones regularly, and if you replace your iPhone with purchase price $P every M months, that's just as good for Apple as you paying P/M per month, with some additional benefits: The user is locked in to a large minimum spend; the user is responsible for EOL disposal of the device; the users perform self price discrimination, where more wealthy users replace their phone more often so effectively pay a higher monthly rate.
- m463 6y ago
  Too overt. Why not just keep slowing it down until it compares poorly and you upgrade to the new snappier version?
  - JGM_io 6y ago
    Owh wait they do
LdSGSgvupDV 6y ago
Also, this is true for windows OS. Once you installed it, the computer would not belong to you. They would force updating, updating, and updating. Even if you were in meeting, that speaker stopped the talk and went back to find another computer. It is ridiculous. Nowadays, physician could do a surgery in remote. How about during operation there is an update.
- kabes 6y ago
  No they won't. You can configure windows out-of-the-box to completely disable updates (it won't even check to see if there's updates). And there's all kinds of settings in-between.
  - neop1x 6y ago
    By editing 3 places in Regedit manually because disabling Update Medic in Services says "access is denied" despite being an admin account. Yes, you totally can. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59077619/how-to-disable-windows-update-medic-service https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59077619/how-to-disable-...
    - kabes 6y ago
      That's to disable the services, which is not what this is about. You don't need to do any of that to stop updates/update checks.
      - LdSGSgvupDV 6y ago
        Uh... How? In my memory, different version of windows needs different approach to disable windows update. Although you manually disabled updating it would somehow turned on by other process/service/reboot... And, it might not be able to apply to next version. Like a Tag game. Some of versions does not have ability to stop updating (maybe current version of Windows 10 Home?).

grishka 6y ago

Why didn't they make it a subscription at this point? Pay $100 per month, or your iPhone would lock and demand that you return it to an Apple Store.

caf 6y ago
It basically is that - most owners replace their iPhones regularly, and if you replace your iPhone with purchase price $P every M months, that's just as good for Apple as you paying P/M per month, with some additional benefits: The user is locked in to a large minimum spend; the user is responsible for EOL disposal of the device; the users perform self price discrimination, where more wealthy users replace their phone more often so effectively pay a higher monthly rate.
m463 6y ago
Too overt. Why not just keep slowing it down until it compares poorly and you upgrade to the new snappier version?
- JGM_io 6y ago
  Owh wait they do

LdSGSgvupDV 6y ago

Also, this is true for windows OS. Once you installed it, the computer would not belong to you. They would force updating, updating, and updating. Even if you were in meeting, that speaker stopped the talk and went back to find another computer. It is ridiculous. Nowadays, physician could do a surgery in remote. How about during operation there is an update.

kabes 6y ago
No they won't. You can configure windows out-of-the-box to completely disable updates (it won't even check to see if there's updates). And there's all kinds of settings in-between.
- neop1x 6y ago
  By editing 3 places in Regedit manually because disabling Update Medic in Services says "access is denied" despite being an admin account. Yes, you totally can. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59077619/how-to-disable-windows-update-medic-service https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59077619/how-to-disable-...
  - kabes 6y ago
    That's to disable the services, which is not what this is about. You don't need to do any of that to stop updates/update checks.
    - LdSGSgvupDV 6y ago
      Uh... How? In my memory, different version of windows needs different approach to disable windows update. Although you manually disabled updating it would somehow turned on by other process/service/reboot... And, it might not be able to apply to next version. Like a Tag game. Some of versions does not have ability to stop updating (maybe current version of Windows 10 Home?).