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The tech community has shown up in a huge way for BLM in the United States - but it's pretty clear that even mentioning 1 million+ Uighurs being detained, or Ho

The tech community has shown up in a huge way for BLM in the United States - but it's pretty clear that even mentioning 1 million+ Uighurs being detained, or Hong Kongers losing their democracy is rare enough to be newsworthy.

Arbalest 6y ago
People clearly don't feel like there's anything they can do about the PRC, but BLM being a domestic matter (at least for USAiens) is something they might be able contribute to. Hong Kong is especially in trouble though, in practical terms. China cannot back down on the national security law if it wants to keep looking strong, both externally and to its own populous. So that makes for two scenarios. 1. Hong Kong loses its status as the gateway into China by being undifferentiated from the rest of China. This is the way it is likely going at the moment. 2. Hong Kong becomes independent and definitely is not a gateway to China, and actively hostile to boot. In addition it loses the cheapest route of supplies across the land border. It doesn't have enough land to support its large and dense population. This is particularly the case for fresh water. Xinjiang is not better, being landlocked and with basically zero economic importance. At least it has some land though.
blackrock 6y ago
Prove it! Provide actual evidence that 1 million+ people are actually detained. Exactly how big of a government building do you need to house that many people. Surely, you can see this giant building from Google Maps. So prove it. And also, there are thousands of people in Yemen that are getting killed now, by the Saudis, and using American weapons from Lockheed, Raytheon, and Boeing. But mysteriously, there isn’t a peep about this in western media. Will the tech community also stand up for these poor Yemen people?
- Arbalest 6y ago
  Bit rich to go, prove it, but but also what about a similar class which I'm not going out of my way to prove. The American technology angle here is semi-irrelevant, the real problem with Saudi is that the US allied with them in the first place, despite being one of the more regressive nations in the region. They also then went and sanctioned Iran which happens to also be more progressive. I guess the Saudis had more oil.
- jjeaff 6y ago
  Are you seriously denying that this cultural genocide is taking place? It's well documented by the US, UN, and several human rights organizations. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/09/china-internment-camps-muslim-uighurs-satellite/569878/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/09/ch...
- m-p-3 6y ago
  I wouldn't be surprised if it was mostly underground to minimize the visual footprint. They aren't stupid, they know that recon satellites keeps an eye on everything.
- mey 6y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
- aliswe 6y ago
  The number is an estimate. But even their gvt isn't contesting their existence, only their purpose, conditions and activity. Furthermore, there are very many articles on the net discussing their locations, for example Business Insider which names 500. Did you google "uyghur detention camps google maps"? I did ... Why are you so strangely opposed to the idea, by the way?
- billyruffian 6y ago
  The BBC has done some of the work for you. Here you go https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_cam...

Arbalest 6y ago

People clearly don't feel like there's anything they can do about the PRC, but BLM being a domestic matter (at least for USAiens) is something they might be able contribute to. Hong Kong is especially in trouble though, in practical terms. China cannot back down on the national security law if it wants to keep looking strong, both externally and to its own populous. So that makes for two scenarios. 1. Hong Kong loses its status as the gateway into China by being undifferentiated from the rest of China. This is the way it is likely going at the moment. 2. Hong Kong becomes independent and definitely is not a gateway to China, and actively hostile to boot. In addition it loses the cheapest route of supplies across the land border. It doesn't have enough land to support its large and dense population. This is particularly the case for fresh water. Xinjiang is not better, being landlocked and with basically zero economic importance. At least it has some land though.

blackrock 6y ago

Prove it! Provide actual evidence that 1 million+ people are actually detained. Exactly how big of a government building do you need to house that many people. Surely, you can see this giant building from Google Maps. So prove it. And also, there are thousands of people in Yemen that are getting killed now, by the Saudis, and using American weapons from Lockheed, Raytheon, and Boeing. But mysteriously, there isn’t a peep about this in western media. Will the tech community also stand up for these poor Yemen people?

Arbalest 6y ago
Bit rich to go, prove it, but but also what about a similar class which I'm not going out of my way to prove. The American technology angle here is semi-irrelevant, the real problem with Saudi is that the US allied with them in the first place, despite being one of the more regressive nations in the region. They also then went and sanctioned Iran which happens to also be more progressive. I guess the Saudis had more oil.
jjeaff 6y ago
Are you seriously denying that this cultural genocide is taking place? It's well documented by the US, UN, and several human rights organizations. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/09/china-internment-camps-muslim-uighurs-satellite/569878/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/09/ch...
m-p-3 6y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if it was mostly underground to minimize the visual footprint. They aren't stupid, they know that recon satellites keeps an eye on everything.
mey 6y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
aliswe 6y ago
The number is an estimate. But even their gvt isn't contesting their existence, only their purpose, conditions and activity. Furthermore, there are very many articles on the net discussing their locations, for example Business Insider which names 500. Did you google "uyghur detention camps google maps"? I did ... Why are you so strangely opposed to the idea, by the way?
billyruffian 6y ago
The BBC has done some of the work for you. Here you go https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_cam...