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> Then don't install unsigned apps. The problem is that most people know nothing about software distribution, signatures etc etc, and would become an easy targ

> Then don't install unsigned apps. The problem is that most people know nothing about software distribution, signatures etc etc, and would become an easy target for fishers, as they do on Windows or Android. People oft underestimate how little avg user knows about computers and basic hygiene.

CamperBob2 6y ago
The problem is that most people know nothing about software distribution, signatures etc etc, and would become an easy target for fishers That doesn't sound like my problem, or, frankly, yours. If you create an environment where careless people never experience the consequences of their carelessness, then rest assured, you won't get fewer careless people or less careless behavior as a result. You will get more of both. You will have bred a culture of dependency... which is certainly financially convenient for Apple.
- ernst_klim 6y ago
  > careless people They are not careless, they are uneducated on topic. Are you advocating for finishing FDA and drug regulation, because if people bought wrong drugs, it's their carelessness and consequences are just? That's nonsense. Historian should not know much about computers, just like me, a computer guy, should not know much about drugs. If there is a company allowing safe computing, which Apple is, people are better to stick with it, and you are better choosing linux or something and stop advocating for reducing people's choice.
  - neop1x 6y ago
    Anti-phishing and malware mechanisms should just be "recommendations" to users and not straight blocking and banning. It's sad people don't see that difference. Browsers warn you about potentially harmful websites but still give you the choice.
    - ernst_klim 6y ago
      > malware mechanisms should just be "recommendations" Not when people don't thoroughly understand the possible consequences, no. Same as why drug prescriptions are not just recommended, and driving license is not optional. It's either the enforcement of training, or the walled garden.
  - likeclockwork 6y ago
    > They are not careless, they are uneducated on topic. Making mistakes is a crucial part of learning.

CamperBob2 6y ago

The problem is that most people know nothing about software distribution, signatures etc etc, and would become an easy target for fishers That doesn't sound like my problem, or, frankly, yours. If you create an environment where careless people never experience the consequences of their carelessness, then rest assured, you won't get fewer careless people or less careless behavior as a result. You will get more of both. You will have bred a culture of dependency... which is certainly financially convenient for Apple.

ernst_klim 6y ago
> careless people They are not careless, they are uneducated on topic. Are you advocating for finishing FDA and drug regulation, because if people bought wrong drugs, it's their carelessness and consequences are just? That's nonsense. Historian should not know much about computers, just like me, a computer guy, should not know much about drugs. If there is a company allowing safe computing, which Apple is, people are better to stick with it, and you are better choosing linux or something and stop advocating for reducing people's choice.
- neop1x 6y ago
  Anti-phishing and malware mechanisms should just be "recommendations" to users and not straight blocking and banning. It's sad people don't see that difference. Browsers warn you about potentially harmful websites but still give you the choice.
  - ernst_klim 6y ago
    > malware mechanisms should just be "recommendations" Not when people don't thoroughly understand the possible consequences, no. Same as why drug prescriptions are not just recommended, and driving license is not optional. It's either the enforcement of training, or the walled garden.
- likeclockwork 6y ago
  > They are not careless, they are uneducated on topic. Making mistakes is a crucial part of learning.