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I am fine with this for most things except my phone. I trust Apple more than any party in the world. Even the government. Fortnight devs, Epic, whatever are no
by fermienrico 6y ago
I am fine with this for most things except my phone.
I trust Apple more than any party in the world. Even the government. Fortnight devs, Epic, whatever are not even on the same radar. They'll sell your privacy in milliseconds if they can get 2.5 cents for it.
I would never ever own an open source phone. Not because the operating system is open source (probably good that it has eyes on it) but there is no way to control third-party apps. Even the os builds can get hacked and I cannot trust it. I have so much personal stuff on my phone on it that I cannot afford to entertain Richard Stallman and his righteousness.
- throwaw4y-plate 6y ago>I trust Apple more than any party in the world. That opinion is likely to be a bit of an outlier, heh.
- fermienrico 6y agoI honestly do. Who would you trust more?
- wizzwizz4 6y agoMyself. If not for IME, I could have a computer under my control, running software guaranteed to be free from the Trusting Trust attack, right now.
- fermienrico 6y agoI respectfully disagree in my case. I don't consider myself a security expert at anything, especially at computers. This is probably 99.999% of the Apple customers. People like yourself can probably manage their own security, have a secure NAS, multiple firewalls, etc. Do you see it from the perspective of average Joe (or me)?
- ptx 6y agoI trust Debian to supply and maintain the software on my machine. But, at any moment, I can choose to add other trusted parties, or remove the Debian repositories, or add my own patched version of some app. I usually choose to trust them, because it's convenient and because they probably know better than I do. But my trust in Debian is completely voluntary, non-exclusive and revocable.
- kelnos 6y agoThat's fine, but you're telling everyone else that, because you personally are not willing to take responsibility for the security of your devices, it's ok for a corporation to dictate that no one is. This doesn't need to be an either/or situation. You can outsource your security and privacy decisions to Apple while simultaneously allowing others to take full control of their devices.
- fermienrico 6y agoNo, that's not a fair take. I am saying that everyone is probably more akin to not knowing a darn thing about security (outside of HN caccoon) than people who are commenting here to setup their own security infrastructure. Given the conditions of how ignorant large percentage (~ 99.999%) of the Apple customers are, I would trust Apple more than any other party to keep them and myself safe. Can you imagine third parties siphoning off data, metrics, photos, etc. without Apple safe guarding user's interest? I would pay a lot of premium for security if I don't have to do it myself.
- wizzwizz4 6y agoA lot of HN users are hackers. That doesn't mean that there are no hackers outside of HN, nor that only hackers can keep a phone secure.
- kelnos 6y agoI think maybe you're missing the point? I don't even disagree with what you're saying, but we can have it both ways: the alleged 99.999% (I suspect you're exaggerating) can have by-default strict security with no apps allowed unless installed through Apple's App Store, and the rest could do whatever they want.
- bosswipe 6y agoNow that you know that Apple will abuse the security mechanism for their own self-interest do you still trust them more?
- trystero 6y agoFree and open source software.
- jonplackett 6y agoMore than... yourself?
- fermienrico 6y agoYes, when it comes to keeping things secure, I honestly trust Apple more than myself (I've forgotten to lock my car upteen number of times) and my family. I am not saying that Apple is not prone to hacks, gov influence, but based on their past record, their stance on privacy - who else could be more trust worthy? Can you provide examples of whom you would trust more if you owned an iPhone to manage your phone?
- wizzwizz4 6y agoIt's not comparable to locking your car, unless you're in the habit of re-writing your phone's operating system every few days.
- fermienrico 6y agoRight now, if I was running some open source OS on an open source hardware, with random 3rd party unverified apps, etc. - I would have no confidence in myself to keep that thing secure. I agree that things like openssh can be more secure because there is a huge number of individuals and corporations using it, there are a lot of eyes on it. It is open source and secure. That's not the same as something as big as an iPhone. iPhone is an ecosystem of apps, cloud data, biometrics, hardware encryption (secure enclave), etc. and finally the physical device.
- qwert12345887 6y agoFor some reason a lot dev's cannot seem to comprehend that a lot of people(Including myself) are not capable/wish to maintain/keep up with security. I rather use my brain cycles for something else. This is compounded for people who have no interest in tech but rather just want to use them to perform certain tasks. Are some of practices unfair sometimes to a small subset of companies/developers. Definitely yes, But what are the other options that have this level of privacy or trust worthiness with a similar ease of use/setup. I don't know of any. It's more or less choosing the lesser evil.
- downvoteme1 6y agoNot related to the poster but it is surprising that HN is becoming like Reddit where non conformist opinions are downvoted extensively.
- hirundo 6y agoIn order to believe that's a new thing you must have predominantly conformist opinions. Congratulations, that probably makes your life easier.
- krapp 6y agoStop caring about pretend internet points.
- arvinsim 6y agoUnlike Reddit, HN actually makes downvoted posts unreadable(unless you go to the pain of highlighting the text or changing the CSS).
- fermienrico 6y agoI think this needs to be questioned. Visually show downvotes with a number or a red color somewhere. But, making it difficult to read needs to be challenged.
- Tepix 6y agoThis has been criticized thousands of times. The fact that it makes the site less accessible is what annoys me the most.
- krapp 6y agoYeah, but you still shouldn't care. There's nothing you can do about it, just decide if it's worth taking the hit to say what you want to say.
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- Tepix 6y agoEven if Apple allows people to install apps on their phone bypassing the official app store, noone is forcing you to do it on your phone. Your phone's security will not be compromised by adding an extra optional feature.
- lolsal 6y agoYou're right, but that fundamentally changes how I look at apps on my iPhone and my device or the ecosystem as a whole. Right now, any app icon I see on my phone, or any Apple device, I implicitly trust, because I have outsourced my trust to a corporation. This does not mean there are not scummy/weaselly apps out there (tiktok/Facebook/etc. for example). Like root certificates, you have to trust someone, at some point. I am choosing to trust Apple. By allowing side-loading apps, that is eroded, even if the tiniest bit.
- manigandham 6y agoHow is it eroded at all if you don't install or use those apps? What changes?