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I agree with the sunk cost - besides, who is the customer and who is the product here? The customer is supposed to be the one who bought the phone and is using

by WWLink 6y ago

I agree with the sunk cost - besides, who is the customer and who is the product here? The customer is supposed to be the one who bought the phone and is using the OS in their best interest. Right? This whole thing feels all wrong. Both Apple for "gatekeeping OUR customers" and Epic for "Apple's stealing OUR money" (or "Apple is making us pay 30% so we're going to charge you 30% more") Besides, it's not as if the Apple App Store is full of quality apps. It's full of a lot of garbage. It's so full of garbage that I have a hard time finding anything worth buying - because almost all of it is ad-laden junk that tries to nickle and dime you with in-app purchases. lol.

NorwegianDude 6y ago
>Apple is making us pay 30% so we're going to charge you 30% more You would have to charge $142.86 for something you otherwise could sell for $100 if it wasn't for Apple taking a 30 % cut. So ~43 % more, not 30 % more. Apple sure is milking iOS users for alot of money, without users knowing.
- WWLink 6y ago
  I think that's transparent to a lot of people, because IIRC, charging price $x on your website, and then charging price $x+30% on apple's store is a breach of the app store contract and will get your app removed. Am I wrong though? If I am, sorry. xD
  - cynix 6y ago
    No, you're free to charge whatever you want on your own website. You just can't mention that fact in your iOS app.
    - cromwellian 6y ago
      > You just can't mention that fact in your iOS app. And you don't think that is anti-competitive? Apple is free to promote their own services on their platform that compete with others, require them to pay a 30% tax that their own competing service does, and the only escape hatch they give you is "you can use the web, but you can't tell your users" Am I taking crazy pills, or do other people think this is absurd. The first rule of alternative signup models on the App Store is, you don't talk about alternative signup models.
      - NorwegianDude 6y ago
        Of course it is absurd. But a lot of people have no idea what this is even all about. A large part of the internet is screaming "The evil Epic brought this upon themselves, if they don't want to pay 30 %, then don't use iOS!" Apple increases costs for users, just because they bought an iOS device. Thats definetly not good for consumers. But what are developers going to do about it? For some developers, over 2/3 of their customers are on a iOS device, so just not using the App Store is not a realistic option. Apple has also made sure that the App Store is the only possible way. So, it's way to big to ignore, and there is definetly no competition. Clearly something has to happen. I would also love to be able to use a decent browser like Firefox or Chrome on iOS(not the current webkit crap apple forces mozilla and Google to use).
- valuearb 6y ago
  Apple is adding a lot of value for developers and customers by providing a secure low friction app sales and discovery system.
  - NorwegianDude 6y ago
    No, they are not. Epic and a lot of others would just go without Apple App Store if they could. They don't need discovery. They are adding value, but that value is for themselves, in form of a 30 % cut. That's not good for consumers or developers.
    - valuearb 6y ago
      It’s great for consumers and developers, the security and ease of use of the walked garden is primary reason customers spend 50% more on iOS than than Android, despite Androids six times larger market size.
    - WWLink 6y ago
      What's good for a consumer like me is installing whatever the fuck I want on my devices.

by WWLink 6y ago

NorwegianDude 6y ago

>Apple is making us pay 30% so we're going to charge you 30% more You would have to charge $142.86 for something you otherwise could sell for $100 if it wasn't for Apple taking a 30 % cut. So ~43 % more, not 30 % more. Apple sure is milking iOS users for alot of money, without users knowing.

WWLink 6y ago
I think that's transparent to a lot of people, because IIRC, charging price $x on your website, and then charging price $x+30% on apple's store is a breach of the app store contract and will get your app removed. Am I wrong though? If I am, sorry. xD
- cynix 6y ago
  No, you're free to charge whatever you want on your own website. You just can't mention that fact in your iOS app.
  - cromwellian 6y ago
    > You just can't mention that fact in your iOS app. And you don't think that is anti-competitive? Apple is free to promote their own services on their platform that compete with others, require them to pay a 30% tax that their own competing service does, and the only escape hatch they give you is "you can use the web, but you can't tell your users" Am I taking crazy pills, or do other people think this is absurd. The first rule of alternative signup models on the App Store is, you don't talk about alternative signup models.
    - NorwegianDude 6y ago
      Of course it is absurd. But a lot of people have no idea what this is even all about. A large part of the internet is screaming "The evil Epic brought this upon themselves, if they don't want to pay 30 %, then don't use iOS!" Apple increases costs for users, just because they bought an iOS device. Thats definetly not good for consumers. But what are developers going to do about it? For some developers, over 2/3 of their customers are on a iOS device, so just not using the App Store is not a realistic option. Apple has also made sure that the App Store is the only possible way. So, it's way to big to ignore, and there is definetly no competition. Clearly something has to happen. I would also love to be able to use a decent browser like Firefox or Chrome on iOS(not the current webkit crap apple forces mozilla and Google to use).
valuearb 6y ago
Apple is adding a lot of value for developers and customers by providing a secure low friction app sales and discovery system.
- NorwegianDude 6y ago
  No, they are not. Epic and a lot of others would just go without Apple App Store if they could. They don't need discovery. They are adding value, but that value is for themselves, in form of a 30 % cut. That's not good for consumers or developers.
  - valuearb 6y ago
    It’s great for consumers and developers, the security and ease of use of the walked garden is primary reason customers spend 50% more on iOS than than Android, despite Androids six times larger market size.
  - WWLink 6y ago
    What's good for a consumer like me is installing whatever the fuck I want on my devices.