Very true. I was worried about what we'd be giving up. We waited a long time because of fertility issues, but I started to get tired of the doctors visits, and

Very true. I was worried about what we'd be giving up. We waited a long time because of fertility issues, but I started to get tired of the doctors visits, and everything and was ready to quit, at 38, after 13 years it gets tiring. Then we got two sons round 8 and 10 of IVF. When your kid walks up to you and says "I love you daddy" and gives you a big hug, when you're having a rough day, best feeling in the entire world. Nothing tops it. Not romantic love or sexual pleasure or delicious food. The love of a child, who accepts you and thinks you're the best thing in the world and trusts you with their life even though you know how flawed that is...lol It's hard to explain the feeling. I feel like I'm having hormonal issues cause I get teary eyed whenever there's a sad or happy moment between father/child on tv, and I go into an absolute rage when I see a child in danger, hurt, molested either in fiction or news media. I think of all the things I'd do to the perp if that were my kid, and it isn't pleasant.