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> I don't ever want to be in the position that PC users are stuck in, where they can be forced to install certain stores just to get access to the games they wa

by dwild 6y ago

> I don't ever want to be in the position that PC users are stuck in, where they can be forced to install certain stores just to get access to the games they want to play. You realize that the alternative... is no game, right? That's what Epic is showing to consumers... I'm pretty sure you answered yes here, now you do realize that you aren't forced to install certain stores, not installing them would only remove your capacities to... get that game that wouldn't happen either way in your better scenario. The only time you are forced on anything, is right now with Apple, where you can't install that others app store that would allow you to get that game. On Android, you got that choice. I don't have the Epic Launcher on my Android phone, just like you don't on your iOS device, the difference is that I chose not to.

nxc18 6y ago
Yeah or Epic could not be pricks and just put the game on the stores like every other app developer. That’s the mysterious third option you’re missing and that we lived with for literally years up until this point. Apple has the capacity to protect me from stores like origin, steam, epic, and everyone else who wants to install crap on my device. Microsoft doesn’t, so I’m forced to install that shit to get access to games on PC. Folks saying they had no problem on Android, they just had to install a forked OS and a custom store are proving the point. Epic is misreading the situation and trying to take advantage of Congress’s poor understanding of technology. I hope they capitulate just like Hey, but if they don’t want to, their shareholders should be paying a pretty penny for the mistake.
- dwild 6y ago
  > Yeah or Epic could not be pricks and just put the game on the stores like every other app developer So contesting an absurd fee is being pricks now? Wow... Like every other app developer? Many can't accept payment in the app as this fee would increase the cost too much. Many can't have an app at all because Apple politics over moderation are unfair and absurd (see Floatplane from Linus Tech Tips, they are struggling to get their app approved with comments as they "couldn't moderate it well enough", while Twitch has no issue getting approval). Epic has the current luxury to do not depends on Apple and be quite comfortable financially to contest what they are doing. Many app developpers would do the same if they had the same luxury, sadly they can't afford the move Epic did. > That’s the mysterious third option you’re missing and that we lived with for literally years up until this point. China population has lived with CCP for years too! Why not inspire our laws on theirs?! It's not because something keep happening that it's a good thing, you know? It's keep happening because of their position of power, for once there is someone that has the means to contest it. > Apple has the capacity to protect me from stores like origin, steam, epic, and everyone else who wants to install crap on my device. First, you can build an OS that won't let crap happens. You don't need any curation to not allow something to happens. I will decide whether an app can get my GPS, not Apple, not you, not the developper of an app, just me. Second, if any app follow Apple standard, why wouldn't they still be on the official app store? This is what most people will use, thus not being there would be incredibly absurd. Fees could be a reasons, but that would just prove that the fee is quite unreasonable. > they just had to install a forked OS and a custom store are proving the point. Proving what point? That they have control over what happens on their own device? Are you forgeting that we are arguing about not being able to get control over our own device here?

by dwild 6y ago

nxc18 6y ago

Yeah or Epic could not be pricks and just put the game on the stores like every other app developer. That’s the mysterious third option you’re missing and that we lived with for literally years up until this point. Apple has the capacity to protect me from stores like origin, steam, epic, and everyone else who wants to install crap on my device. Microsoft doesn’t, so I’m forced to install that shit to get access to games on PC. Folks saying they had no problem on Android, they just had to install a forked OS and a custom store are proving the point. Epic is misreading the situation and trying to take advantage of Congress’s poor understanding of technology. I hope they capitulate just like Hey, but if they don’t want to, their shareholders should be paying a pretty penny for the mistake.

dwild 6y ago
> Yeah or Epic could not be pricks and just put the game on the stores like every other app developer So contesting an absurd fee is being pricks now? Wow... Like every other app developer? Many can't accept payment in the app as this fee would increase the cost too much. Many can't have an app at all because Apple politics over moderation are unfair and absurd (see Floatplane from Linus Tech Tips, they are struggling to get their app approved with comments as they "couldn't moderate it well enough", while Twitch has no issue getting approval). Epic has the current luxury to do not depends on Apple and be quite comfortable financially to contest what they are doing. Many app developpers would do the same if they had the same luxury, sadly they can't afford the move Epic did. > That’s the mysterious third option you’re missing and that we lived with for literally years up until this point. China population has lived with CCP for years too! Why not inspire our laws on theirs?! It's not because something keep happening that it's a good thing, you know? It's keep happening because of their position of power, for once there is someone that has the means to contest it. > Apple has the capacity to protect me from stores like origin, steam, epic, and everyone else who wants to install crap on my device. First, you can build an OS that won't let crap happens. You don't need any curation to not allow something to happens. I will decide whether an app can get my GPS, not Apple, not you, not the developper of an app, just me. Second, if any app follow Apple standard, why wouldn't they still be on the official app store? This is what most people will use, thus not being there would be incredibly absurd. Fees could be a reasons, but that would just prove that the fee is quite unreasonable. > they just had to install a forked OS and a custom store are proving the point. Proving what point? That they have control over what happens on their own device? Are you forgeting that we are arguing about not being able to get control over our own device here?