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> We want multiple stores on iOS. No no no no no no!!!!!! It's this type of thinking that has caused me to have more freaking messaging and video apps on my p

by MR4D 6y ago

> We want multiple stores on iOS. No no no no no no!!!!!! It's this type of thinking that has caused me to have more freaking messaging and video apps on my phone so I can talk to everyone: Zoom, Skype, Meet, Meetings, Facetime, Messenger, Chime,...etc, etc. etc. NO. I ABSOLUTELY do not want that. Freaking nightmare. When that happens I ditch my iPhone and buy a flip phone. Seriously - stop the insanity. There is no "choice" when we need to have every alternative installed in order to do the things we need to do. That's not choice - it's insanity.

izacus 6y ago
Are you also living in a crippling fear because you have the ability to buy things in multiple stores in your city? Is that a nightmare as well?
- MR4D 6y ago
  Ha! That was pretty funny. :) But actually, there is a big difference - I can buy jeans anywhere. I can buy Levi jeans anywhere. If I had to go to Macy’s so that I could get a shirt (with no alternative), and then had to go to Nordstrom to get socks (with no alternative), and then..... then yeah, that would be crippling. There is a reason amazon and Walmart are so powerful - you can get anything in one stop. Bundling is important. It’s why people buy Comcast xfinity cable + internet or have all their family on one cell phone plan - it’s reduces effort, stress, and cognitive load. Apple vs Android is good choice. Having to go to ten app stores to get my apps is not - it’s just a pain in the butt masquerading as “choice”.
  - cycloptic 6y ago
    >it’s just a pain in the butt masquerading as “choice”. It's not when they actually have to compete on price. Then you pick the one which offers you the lowest price for what you're looking for.
    - MR4D 6y ago
      So when a friend of yours wants to message you and you don’t have the same app, what happens? Both apps are free. Now you have to download another App Store to download the messaging app. Price has no bearing here whatsoever.
      - cycloptic 6y ago
        >So when a friend of yours wants to message you and you don’t have the same app, what happens? I tell the friend to call, text or email me. Price doesn't have any bearing because the market on messaging apps has bottomed out, in part due to Apple's app store policies.
        MR4D 6y ago
        I'm guessing you don't have friends spread out over several countries, where calling or texting is not a cheap (or even reliable) option. And nobody checks email frequently enough. But the point was a simple example. Clearly you seem to enjoy complexity more than me.
jonny_eh 6y ago
> NO. I ABSOLUTELY do not want that. Freaking nightmare. That's a bit extreme. It's less of a nightmare, and more of an annoyance, that is paid in exchange for competition and innovation.
- MR4D 6y ago
  So, do you have a wallet with a dozen store credit cards or a wallet with a visa and/or MasterCard. Imagine the former. No thanks.
  - danShumway 6y ago
    Wait, do we think the situation with Visa/MasterCard is good? I'm discovering a number of people here who see the world very differently than me. I would have taken it as a given that most people would agree that it would be healthy for the US market overall if we shook up the payment industry and got some new options. A lot of Visa/Mastercard's terms for businesses are really bad. There are entire industries that are being pushed out of the market right now. Not to mention that these cards come with a tremendous amount of user tracking that's basically impossible to opt out of if you want to buy anything online. That's why people are throwing everything at the wall from Bitcoin to GNU Taler trying desperately to find any kind of Open alternative that might work for online micropayments.

by MR4D 6y ago

izacus 6y ago

Are you also living in a crippling fear because you have the ability to buy things in multiple stores in your city? Is that a nightmare as well?

MR4D 6y ago
Ha! That was pretty funny. :) But actually, there is a big difference - I can buy jeans anywhere. I can buy Levi jeans anywhere. If I had to go to Macy’s so that I could get a shirt (with no alternative), and then had to go to Nordstrom to get socks (with no alternative), and then..... then yeah, that would be crippling. There is a reason amazon and Walmart are so powerful - you can get anything in one stop. Bundling is important. It’s why people buy Comcast xfinity cable + internet or have all their family on one cell phone plan - it’s reduces effort, stress, and cognitive load. Apple vs Android is good choice. Having to go to ten app stores to get my apps is not - it’s just a pain in the butt masquerading as “choice”.
- cycloptic 6y ago
  >it’s just a pain in the butt masquerading as “choice”. It's not when they actually have to compete on price. Then you pick the one which offers you the lowest price for what you're looking for.
  - MR4D 6y ago
    So when a friend of yours wants to message you and you don’t have the same app, what happens? Both apps are free. Now you have to download another App Store to download the messaging app. Price has no bearing here whatsoever.
    - cycloptic 6y ago
      >So when a friend of yours wants to message you and you don’t have the same app, what happens? I tell the friend to call, text or email me. Price doesn't have any bearing because the market on messaging apps has bottomed out, in part due to Apple's app store policies.
      - MR4D 6y ago
        I'm guessing you don't have friends spread out over several countries, where calling or texting is not a cheap (or even reliable) option. And nobody checks email frequently enough. But the point was a simple example. Clearly you seem to enjoy complexity more than me.

jonny_eh 6y ago

> NO. I ABSOLUTELY do not want that. Freaking nightmare. That's a bit extreme. It's less of a nightmare, and more of an annoyance, that is paid in exchange for competition and innovation.

MR4D 6y ago
So, do you have a wallet with a dozen store credit cards or a wallet with a visa and/or MasterCard. Imagine the former. No thanks.
- danShumway 6y ago
  Wait, do we think the situation with Visa/MasterCard is good? I'm discovering a number of people here who see the world very differently than me. I would have taken it as a given that most people would agree that it would be healthy for the US market overall if we shook up the payment industry and got some new options. A lot of Visa/Mastercard's terms for businesses are really bad. There are entire industries that are being pushed out of the market right now. Not to mention that these cards come with a tremendous amount of user tracking that's basically impossible to opt out of if you want to buy anything online. That's why people are throwing everything at the wall from Bitcoin to GNU Taler trying desperately to find any kind of Open alternative that might work for online micropayments.