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Bill is correct on a lot fronts here. Soil is the big elephant in the room. But the problem remains an economic problem as much as a technical one. We need solu

Bill is correct on a lot fronts here. Soil is the big elephant in the room. But the problem remains an economic problem as much as a technical one. We need solutions that are market driven (in addition to the cool innovations he talks about). https://thinkingagriculture.io/carbon-sequestering-incentives-who-wins/ https://thinkingagriculture.io/carbon-sequestering-incentive...

Cthulhu_ 6y ago
"Market driven"? The market has had its chance; "it" is focusing on short-term, optimized profits, on cutting down the rainforests to make way for shitty farms to grow cheap shit to feed to cattle, etc. Some consumers have the funds and the will to buy food from more reputable sources, but I'm confident there's a lot of scummy stuff happening there too. The market won't solve this; it's time for legislation to control the market before it wrings out everything. We live in an age now where even politicians are wringing out everything they can from a country, funneling billions to themselves and their friends, leaving the country in shambles while they retire to their private islands because hey, not their problem anymore.
- sputr 6y ago
  I think your unecesserally criticising the person your commenting on. They never said free/unregulated market. They just said market driven. Markets and market forces are tools. If left unregulated they, as you pointed out, devolve into optimising for the short term and the narrow bad of monetisable effects (ie the problem of externalities). But a regulated market is a force to be recond with, and if properly regulated, a force for a lot of good. So you are both right. We need market solutions (as those are most effective) but within a regulated market that makes sure that market forces are pushing everyone in the direction that is good for society.
- wow_no 6y ago
  You seem extremely mad

Cthulhu_ 6y ago

"Market driven"? The market has had its chance; "it" is focusing on short-term, optimized profits, on cutting down the rainforests to make way for shitty farms to grow cheap shit to feed to cattle, etc. Some consumers have the funds and the will to buy food from more reputable sources, but I'm confident there's a lot of scummy stuff happening there too. The market won't solve this; it's time for legislation to control the market before it wrings out everything. We live in an age now where even politicians are wringing out everything they can from a country, funneling billions to themselves and their friends, leaving the country in shambles while they retire to their private islands because hey, not their problem anymore.

sputr 6y ago
I think your unecesserally criticising the person your commenting on. They never said free/unregulated market. They just said market driven. Markets and market forces are tools. If left unregulated they, as you pointed out, devolve into optimising for the short term and the narrow bad of monetisable effects (ie the problem of externalities). But a regulated market is a force to be recond with, and if properly regulated, a force for a lot of good. So you are both right. We need market solutions (as those are most effective) but within a regulated market that makes sure that market forces are pushing everyone in the direction that is good for society.
wow_no 6y ago
You seem extremely mad