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https://twitter.com/slasher/status/1295434558112960519?s=21 https://twitter.com/slasher/status/1295434558112960519?s=21 Apparently this also applies to all app

by askl56 6y ago

https://twitter.com/slasher/status/1295434558112960519?s=21 https://twitter.com/slasher/status/1295434558112960519?s=21 Apparently this also applies to all apps using Unreal Engine.

markus_zhang 6y ago
Going to be very ugly if UE games cannot run on iOS devices, very ugly, and seems neither wants to back down at the moment.
Alupis 6y ago
If that is true, then it seems EPIC's case is made stronger by this action. How can Apple kick off thousands (10's of thousands?) of apps, which just happened to use the development kit provided by another party Apple's involved in a lawsuit with.
- johncolanduoni 6y ago
  Yeah the sheer level of stupidity of that move combined with it not being clear to me that “Epic cannot use our developer tools” => “we will remove/prevent updates to any third party app that has used them” makes me think Epic may be embellishing here for the benefit of the public. I think Apple may have just done the “remove their account” part and Epic is adding as many nastily implications of that as possible. I’m extremely suspicious of basically anything factual these companies say about this whole matter; there’s too much money on the line for there to be much voluntary truth telling involved.
  - makecheck 6y ago
    Even if no UE-dependent games are removed now, they’re all at risk because Epic would no longer be able to fix any bugs for them, or maintain the engine. And, Apple has forced maintenance on developers quite often; it’s only a matter of time before some platform-breaking boundary must be crossed again, which none of the UE-dependent games would be able to manage without Epic’s involvement.
    - johncolanduoni 6y ago
      Oh I agree. My suspicion is that Apple’s intent was to revoke their developer account/iTunes Connect access but not attempt to enforce their inability to use XCode; there may be legal language to that effect but you’ve been able to install XCode and generate iOS provisioning profiles without a developer account for some time now. I can’t imagine that any Apple executives think the recent anti-trust hearings went so well that they think they can get away with this sort of snipe.
- Talyen42 6y ago
  that's not what apple is doing they're only revoking epic's devtools, and ability to make NEW unreal engine versions, old UE versions are unaffected
abj 6y ago
Edit: It looks like Apple is not removing all Unreal Engine games. See Brandon Smith's comment below. Is this confirmed? Apple would be removing PUBG Mobile (#5 in Strategy, millions in revenue - which Apple presumably gets 30%) which uses unreal Engine 4.
- askl56 6y ago
  Without a developer account, EPIC can't update Unreal Engine on iOS?
  - BrandonSmith 6y ago
    Epic is misleading a bit... Epic is claiming that without access to developer tools, it cannot properly develop the Unreal Engine for other parties to develop against. Reading the legal document, it does not appear Apps that use Unreal Engine are threatened to be removed. Only that Epic cannot improve the Unreal Engine.
    - jbverschoor 6y ago
      Misleading is something certain game companies are very good at
fatnoah 6y ago
Epic is not saying that Apple is removing gams that rely on UE. (https://cdn2.unrealengine.com/epic-v-apple-8-17-20-768927327.pdf https://cdn2.unrealengine.com/epic-v-apple-8-17-20-768927327...) What Epic is saying that they will no longer be able to make any updates to UE, which will effectively kill it as a viable business.
EdJiang 6y ago
If you look into the court docs, Epic says Apple revoking access to their dev tools negatively affects Epic's ability to support Unreal Engine, which negatively affects many apps. Not that apps using Unreal will get kicked off App Store.

by askl56 6y ago

https://twitter.com/slasher/status/1295434558112960519?s=21 https://twitter.com/slasher/status/1295434558112960519?s=21 Apparently this also applies to all apps using Unreal Engine.

markus_zhang 6y ago

Going to be very ugly if UE games cannot run on iOS devices, very ugly, and seems neither wants to back down at the moment.

Alupis 6y ago

If that is true, then it seems EPIC's case is made stronger by this action. How can Apple kick off thousands (10's of thousands?) of apps, which just happened to use the development kit provided by another party Apple's involved in a lawsuit with.

johncolanduoni 6y ago
Yeah the sheer level of stupidity of that move combined with it not being clear to me that “Epic cannot use our developer tools” => “we will remove/prevent updates to any third party app that has used them” makes me think Epic may be embellishing here for the benefit of the public. I think Apple may have just done the “remove their account” part and Epic is adding as many nastily implications of that as possible. I’m extremely suspicious of basically anything factual these companies say about this whole matter; there’s too much money on the line for there to be much voluntary truth telling involved.
- makecheck 6y ago
  Even if no UE-dependent games are removed now, they’re all at risk because Epic would no longer be able to fix any bugs for them, or maintain the engine. And, Apple has forced maintenance on developers quite often; it’s only a matter of time before some platform-breaking boundary must be crossed again, which none of the UE-dependent games would be able to manage without Epic’s involvement.
  - johncolanduoni 6y ago
    Oh I agree. My suspicion is that Apple’s intent was to revoke their developer account/iTunes Connect access but not attempt to enforce their inability to use XCode; there may be legal language to that effect but you’ve been able to install XCode and generate iOS provisioning profiles without a developer account for some time now. I can’t imagine that any Apple executives think the recent anti-trust hearings went so well that they think they can get away with this sort of snipe.
Talyen42 6y ago
that's not what apple is doing they're only revoking epic's devtools, and ability to make NEW unreal engine versions, old UE versions are unaffected

abj 6y ago

Edit: It looks like Apple is not removing all Unreal Engine games. See Brandon Smith's comment below. Is this confirmed? Apple would be removing PUBG Mobile (#5 in Strategy, millions in revenue - which Apple presumably gets 30%) which uses unreal Engine 4.

askl56 6y ago
Without a developer account, EPIC can't update Unreal Engine on iOS?
- BrandonSmith 6y ago
  Epic is misleading a bit... Epic is claiming that without access to developer tools, it cannot properly develop the Unreal Engine for other parties to develop against. Reading the legal document, it does not appear Apps that use Unreal Engine are threatened to be removed. Only that Epic cannot improve the Unreal Engine.
  - jbverschoor 6y ago
    Misleading is something certain game companies are very good at

fatnoah 6y ago

Epic is not saying that Apple is removing gams that rely on UE. (https://cdn2.unrealengine.com/epic-v-apple-8-17-20-768927327.pdf https://cdn2.unrealengine.com/epic-v-apple-8-17-20-768927327...) What Epic is saying that they will no longer be able to make any updates to UE, which will effectively kill it as a viable business.

EdJiang 6y ago

If you look into the court docs, Epic says Apple revoking access to their dev tools negatively affects Epic's ability to support Unreal Engine, which negatively affects many apps. Not that apps using Unreal will get kicked off App Store.