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What the f*ck is going on at Apple?

Bud 6y ago
It's more like, why did Epic decide to file a spurious legal action when their situation with Apple is exactly the same as their situation with Microsoft (for XBox) and with Sony (for PlayStation) and with Google (for Android). The only difference is that Sony just invested $250M in Epic. I'm sure that minor fact has no relevance here, though. (sarcasm most certainly intended)
- lokar 6y ago
  Are the various cuts (both sale, and in-game) for each platform known, either informally or publicly?
  - fooey 6y ago
    Everyone is 30%, always has been Xbox, Playstation, Steam, Google, Apple, they're all 30%.
    - papaf 6y ago
      Everyone is 30% Not everyone. Epic Games Store is 12%, Humble Store is 5% and itch.io lets the developer choose.
    - SXX 6y ago
      Due to Epic's pressure Steam already offering lower fees for more than two years now. Both Sony and Microsoft are also likely to make custom deals for popular titles the same way as they allowed them to have cross-play. Tactics Epic using might look dishonest from outside, but it's will really help industry long-term.
- Solstinox 6y ago
  Epic's intent is clear. No need to ask why. Apple's handling of the situation is baffling. "Let's martyr the smaller company!"
  - xemoka 6y ago
    Every company is smaller than Apple (for certain definitions of "smaller").
- Panini_Jones 6y ago
  Isn't it the case that game publishers often will invest in game developers for their platform? I read elsewhere this was the case, but I haven't found a good source online.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > It's more like, why did Epic decide to file a spurious legal action when their situation with Apple is exactly the same as their situation with Microsoft (for XBox) and with Sony (for PlayStation) and with Google (for Android). It's not spurious and their situation on Android, at least, is not exactly the same, because they can (and have previously) distribute to Android via their own website or third-party stores (and have announced intent to bring their own store to Android.) Of course, they are suing Google on similar grounds. As why only Apple, it's not only Apple, and this kind of litigation is expensive and it doesn't really scale in cost with the potential reward, so if you are going to devote resources to one first swing at it, it make sense to do it where the immediate rewards of winning are the greatest, which is iOS, first and foremost, and I expect for Epic right now, mobile more generally. > The only difference is that Sony just invested $250M in Epic. I'm sure that minor fact has no relevance here, though. Well, yeah, that's a pretty important difference, and quite possibly legally relevant, too. Aside from the political reasons not to sue a major investor, investment agreements might well have terms that change why relevant legal rights and duties of the parties.
- rasz 6y ago
  >Sony just invested $250M in Epic less than 2 months revenue from mobile, yes, your argument makes sense!
jschenk 6y ago
Mask fell off.
- tandr 6y ago
  Are they more contagious now? /s Seriously though, imagine Apple actually wins this one. How long before Microsoft will pull something like this off?

Bud 6y ago

It's more like, why did Epic decide to file a spurious legal action when their situation with Apple is exactly the same as their situation with Microsoft (for XBox) and with Sony (for PlayStation) and with Google (for Android). The only difference is that Sony just invested $250M in Epic. I'm sure that minor fact has no relevance here, though. (sarcasm most certainly intended)

lokar 6y ago
Are the various cuts (both sale, and in-game) for each platform known, either informally or publicly?
- fooey 6y ago
  Everyone is 30%, always has been Xbox, Playstation, Steam, Google, Apple, they're all 30%.
  - papaf 6y ago
    Everyone is 30% Not everyone. Epic Games Store is 12%, Humble Store is 5% and itch.io lets the developer choose.
  - SXX 6y ago
    Due to Epic's pressure Steam already offering lower fees for more than two years now. Both Sony and Microsoft are also likely to make custom deals for popular titles the same way as they allowed them to have cross-play. Tactics Epic using might look dishonest from outside, but it's will really help industry long-term.
Solstinox 6y ago
Epic's intent is clear. No need to ask why. Apple's handling of the situation is baffling. "Let's martyr the smaller company!"
- xemoka 6y ago
  Every company is smaller than Apple (for certain definitions of "smaller").
Panini_Jones 6y ago
Isn't it the case that game publishers often will invest in game developers for their platform? I read elsewhere this was the case, but I haven't found a good source online.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> It's more like, why did Epic decide to file a spurious legal action when their situation with Apple is exactly the same as their situation with Microsoft (for XBox) and with Sony (for PlayStation) and with Google (for Android). It's not spurious and their situation on Android, at least, is not exactly the same, because they can (and have previously) distribute to Android via their own website or third-party stores (and have announced intent to bring their own store to Android.) Of course, they are suing Google on similar grounds. As why only Apple, it's not only Apple, and this kind of litigation is expensive and it doesn't really scale in cost with the potential reward, so if you are going to devote resources to one first swing at it, it make sense to do it where the immediate rewards of winning are the greatest, which is iOS, first and foremost, and I expect for Epic right now, mobile more generally. > The only difference is that Sony just invested $250M in Epic. I'm sure that minor fact has no relevance here, though. Well, yeah, that's a pretty important difference, and quite possibly legally relevant, too. Aside from the political reasons not to sue a major investor, investment agreements might well have terms that change why relevant legal rights and duties of the parties.
rasz 6y ago
>Sony just invested $250M in Epic less than 2 months revenue from mobile, yes, your argument makes sense!

jschenk 6y ago

Mask fell off.

tandr 6y ago
Are they more contagious now? /s Seriously though, imagine Apple actually wins this one. How long before Microsoft will pull something like this off?