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Why would you flag this? Its relevant to all of us with an interest in programming and development of systems. Dont you realise the significance of llvm?

by chuhnk 16y ago

ig1 16y ago
As someone who used to hang out on LtU I'm well aware of the significance of LLVM, doesn't mean it's release announcement is on-topic on HN. There are hundreds of packages which are of interest to programmers, if we posted minor releases of every single one of them to HN, we'd soon be drowning. So we need to ask what's special about this release? Are there features that are going to attract new users, are they doing something impressive, etc. In this case the answer is no, it's just a standard release, so I don't think it's a good use of the first place postion on HN.
- chuhnk 16y ago
  It spans beyond just a release announcement. It introduces llvm to people who are unaware of its existence. It brings llvm into the mainstream so that more people may start using it. It gives us an opportunity to discuss the project in both positive and negative lights, whether that be relevant to the release or the project as a whole. I agree that we cannot post the release announcement for every project in existence and I believe everyone here on HN understands that, but when an interesting and significant project has an update and may not have been on the front page for some time, it seems appropriate to submit it.
  - ig1 16y ago
    That need would be much better served by posting a link which talks about a practical example of LLVM being used in the wild, or an interesting hack you can do using it. I've no objection to LLVM stories being posted here, I do object to minor releases being posted here which push down stories more useful to the community. Posting release notes means people who aren't familiar with it at best are just going to glance at it and hit back.
  - piotrSikora 16y ago
    But the same logic applies to any other interesting piece of software... And what's result of that on HN? In the past 7 days on the front page we had release notes for: - jQuery 1.5.2, - Redis 2.2.3, - Portable C Compiler 1.0, - Node.js 0.4.5, - KeePass 1.19, - GNOME 3, - SproutCore 1.5 Release Candidate 1. How many of those are really worth it? Maybe PCC and GNOME, since they are major releases.
    - ig1 16y ago
      Also - Rails 3.0.6 - Palm WebOS 3.0 (probably ok as major release) - AppEngine 1.4.3
      - chuhnk 16y ago
        I stay with my previous opinion of "when an interesting and significant project has an update and may not have been on the front page for some time, it seems appropriate to submit it". Everyone is entitled to their opinion and there will be debate about this. I asked why it was flagged and I got a response, I'm happy being able to have conversation in which I've understood the other persons argument.
      - gjm11 16y ago
        So, that's 10 things, of which 3 are major releases and uncontroversially appropriate. 7 in total. So, on average, either 1. these things will last at most (say) a day on the front page, in which case they take up ~ 1 slot there; or 2. they will attract enough interest from the HN community to stay on the front page for longer than a day. I find it hard to see either of these as terrible outcomes, given that these submissions are of enough interest to get to the front page in the first place.

Why would you flag this? Its relevant to all of us with an interest in programming and development of systems. Dont you realise the significance of llvm?

by chuhnk 16y ago

Why would you flag this? Its relevant to all of us with an interest in programming and development of systems. Dont you realise the significance of llvm?

ig1 16y ago

As someone who used to hang out on LtU I'm well aware of the significance of LLVM, doesn't mean it's release announcement is on-topic on HN. There are hundreds of packages which are of interest to programmers, if we posted minor releases of every single one of them to HN, we'd soon be drowning. So we need to ask what's special about this release? Are there features that are going to attract new users, are they doing something impressive, etc. In this case the answer is no, it's just a standard release, so I don't think it's a good use of the first place postion on HN.

chuhnk 16y ago
It spans beyond just a release announcement. It introduces llvm to people who are unaware of its existence. It brings llvm into the mainstream so that more people may start using it. It gives us an opportunity to discuss the project in both positive and negative lights, whether that be relevant to the release or the project as a whole. I agree that we cannot post the release announcement for every project in existence and I believe everyone here on HN understands that, but when an interesting and significant project has an update and may not have been on the front page for some time, it seems appropriate to submit it.
- ig1 16y ago
  That need would be much better served by posting a link which talks about a practical example of LLVM being used in the wild, or an interesting hack you can do using it. I've no objection to LLVM stories being posted here, I do object to minor releases being posted here which push down stories more useful to the community. Posting release notes means people who aren't familiar with it at best are just going to glance at it and hit back.
- piotrSikora 16y ago
  But the same logic applies to any other interesting piece of software... And what's result of that on HN? In the past 7 days on the front page we had release notes for: - jQuery 1.5.2, - Redis 2.2.3, - Portable C Compiler 1.0, - Node.js 0.4.5, - KeePass 1.19, - GNOME 3, - SproutCore 1.5 Release Candidate 1. How many of those are really worth it? Maybe PCC and GNOME, since they are major releases.
  - ig1 16y ago
    Also - Rails 3.0.6 - Palm WebOS 3.0 (probably ok as major release) - AppEngine 1.4.3
    - chuhnk 16y ago
      I stay with my previous opinion of "when an interesting and significant project has an update and may not have been on the front page for some time, it seems appropriate to submit it". Everyone is entitled to their opinion and there will be debate about this. I asked why it was flagged and I got a response, I'm happy being able to have conversation in which I've understood the other persons argument.
    - gjm11 16y ago
      So, that's 10 things, of which 3 are major releases and uncontroversially appropriate. 7 in total. So, on average, either 1. these things will last at most (say) a day on the front page, in which case they take up ~ 1 slot there; or 2. they will attract enough interest from the HN community to stay on the front page for longer than a day. I find it hard to see either of these as terrible outcomes, given that these submissions are of enough interest to get to the front page in the first place.