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This is a great idea. You probably would get more business if you didn't have workshops for 'undoing white supremacy' and 'racismo' Many of the ppl that will b

This is a great idea. You probably would get more business if you didn't have workshops for 'undoing white supremacy' and 'racismo' Many of the ppl that will be homeschooling are doing so bc of the blm education being introduced in schools- it isn't just about covid. https://www.modulo.app/notmyidea https://www.modulo.app/notmyidea

jerf 6y ago
The homeschool (or now, "school addon") market is relatively competitive, compared to the public school "market". There's plenty of non-BLM curricula out there, and here I use "BLM" as a relatively narrow point, so by "non-BLM" I mean many things that are still liberal/left-wing, not as a catchall for an entire ideological "side". The choice is overwhelming, if anything.
dbancajas 6y ago
What is your source of "BLM education being introduced in schools"?
actfrench 6y ago
We are very proud of introducing diversity and inclusion into our program. It's of critical importance that we learn to think deeply about the systemic racism in our society - as students and educators. A good education is well-rounded and helps children understand history and social systems in a broad way, not limited to a certain group or perspective. Race, racial tensions and inequity are some of the biggest issues facing society today. Our kids are worried about it and they are the ones who are going to be helping change the way our society runs. They need to be prepared to think about this, analyze multiple view points and make intelligent and informed decisions. Hiding it from them will help no one. Education is about illumination, not casting shadows over what is happening and what has happened before us. While some may be leaving the school system because schools are finally addressing these issues, many also are homeschooling because they feel these topics are not adequately integrated into our curriculum.
- burfog 6y ago
  Focusing on race is what keeps people focusing on race. It's fundamentally divisive. Teaching children to think of everything in terms of race is the biggest factor in perpetuating racism. I suppose there is a market for that, and you're serving it, making money as you divide society.
  - mcv 6y ago
    That is exactly why it's important for kids to learn about that divide, and to break through it. To understand the experience of other people, to recognise the injustice of it, and to do something to change that. The division is caused by treating with different skin colour or ethnic background as lesser, or as criminals. Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it go away. It's real, and it needs to be addressed. Making kids more aware of that is absolutely important.
    - burfog 6y ago
      Human minds don't work that way. They learn, but not always what you intend for them to learn. If the kid is white, possible learning outcomes include: a. self-hate, leading to depression and self-harm b. reading between the lines, learning that to be normal he must be racist against black people, because that is just how white people are c. rage at being disfavored by every diversity initiative, leading to a desire for revenge If the kid is black, possible learning outcomes include: a. hatred toward white people due to being told that white people are to blame for all the bad in life b. giving up on life because the world seems so racist that life is hopeless c. deciding that if most people believe he is prone to crime, it is probably true or he might as well make it true Most of the above will be recognized by both sides as "othering" that is enough to prevent friendship. That's what is being taught, even if not intended.
      - mcv 6y ago
        I think you've got this exactly backwards. We have already seen what not teaching people about this leads to: a continuation of the racism. Kids get taught racism, consciously and unconsciously, intentionally and unintentionally. By default, we tend to reinforce the patterns we see. We need more awareness of the old patterns in order to change them. Of course you shouldn't teach them self-hate, depression and that sort of thing, but you can teach black and white kids to unite against those old patterns that have kept them separate, to have them work together, to teach them they are equals. I keep seeing too many excuses not to tackle racism, but that means it will continue to exist and hold new generations back. You don't solve problems by ignoring them. Of course you should also not solve them by making them worse. So you should absolutely look critically at the way in which kids are taught about this, but it's important to make kids aware that this is something that has held previous generations back, and they shouldn't be held back the same way. Sheltering kids from history is not going to make them learn from it, and as we know, people who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
mcv 6y ago
I don't think wanting to teach your kids to be racist, and keeping them away from ideas that might challenge that, is a very good reason to homeschool. It's important that kids grow up knowing that there are different people out there, with different backgrounds, different ideas, different skin colours, and indeed that some people have been treated differently in the past, and often still are. A too sheltered upbringing is not doing your kid any favours.
- actfrench 6y ago
  I've seen that many people are concerned that homeschooling would be less diverse than a traditional school environment. I've observed the opposite to be true, especially in secular homeschooling communities I've been a part of in NYC and San Francisco. Parents are homeschooling because they want to expose their child to a more diverse community - or they are joining a more inclusive community because they experienced discrimination in the school community they were a part of. I think that many families feel that designing their child's learning has paved the way for them to meet families from more diverse perspectives and backgrounds than they would in their school, join a more inclusive community that has space to be more conscientious about how they relate to each other and paves the way for them to include historical viewpoints that are not incorporated in many traditional schools. Of course, the opposite can also be true. It mostly depends on the parent's intention I've found. Some really great examples of diverse, inclusive homeschooling communities to give you a flavor for this are: SEA homeschoolers https://www.facebook.com/groups/seahomeschoolers/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/seahomeschoolers/ San Francisco Homeschooling and Unschooling Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/166286810672946/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/166286810672946/ HUGS SF https://www.facebook.com/groups/1931740383552142/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/1931740383552142/ New York City Homeschool Support https://www.facebook.com/groups/262047073979701/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/262047073979701/ Wildschooling https://www.facebook.com/groups/wildschooling/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/wildschooling/ Bay Area Homeschool Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1537398423139116/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/1537398423139116/

jerf 6y ago

The homeschool (or now, "school addon") market is relatively competitive, compared to the public school "market". There's plenty of non-BLM curricula out there, and here I use "BLM" as a relatively narrow point, so by "non-BLM" I mean many things that are still liberal/left-wing, not as a catchall for an entire ideological "side". The choice is overwhelming, if anything.

dbancajas 6y ago

What is your source of "BLM education being introduced in schools"?

actfrench 6y ago

We are very proud of introducing diversity and inclusion into our program. It's of critical importance that we learn to think deeply about the systemic racism in our society - as students and educators. A good education is well-rounded and helps children understand history and social systems in a broad way, not limited to a certain group or perspective. Race, racial tensions and inequity are some of the biggest issues facing society today. Our kids are worried about it and they are the ones who are going to be helping change the way our society runs. They need to be prepared to think about this, analyze multiple view points and make intelligent and informed decisions. Hiding it from them will help no one. Education is about illumination, not casting shadows over what is happening and what has happened before us. While some may be leaving the school system because schools are finally addressing these issues, many also are homeschooling because they feel these topics are not adequately integrated into our curriculum.

burfog 6y ago
Focusing on race is what keeps people focusing on race. It's fundamentally divisive. Teaching children to think of everything in terms of race is the biggest factor in perpetuating racism. I suppose there is a market for that, and you're serving it, making money as you divide society.
- mcv 6y ago
  That is exactly why it's important for kids to learn about that divide, and to break through it. To understand the experience of other people, to recognise the injustice of it, and to do something to change that. The division is caused by treating with different skin colour or ethnic background as lesser, or as criminals. Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it go away. It's real, and it needs to be addressed. Making kids more aware of that is absolutely important.
  - burfog 6y ago
    Human minds don't work that way. They learn, but not always what you intend for them to learn. If the kid is white, possible learning outcomes include: a. self-hate, leading to depression and self-harm b. reading between the lines, learning that to be normal he must be racist against black people, because that is just how white people are c. rage at being disfavored by every diversity initiative, leading to a desire for revenge If the kid is black, possible learning outcomes include: a. hatred toward white people due to being told that white people are to blame for all the bad in life b. giving up on life because the world seems so racist that life is hopeless c. deciding that if most people believe he is prone to crime, it is probably true or he might as well make it true Most of the above will be recognized by both sides as "othering" that is enough to prevent friendship. That's what is being taught, even if not intended.
    - mcv 6y ago
      I think you've got this exactly backwards. We have already seen what not teaching people about this leads to: a continuation of the racism. Kids get taught racism, consciously and unconsciously, intentionally and unintentionally. By default, we tend to reinforce the patterns we see. We need more awareness of the old patterns in order to change them. Of course you shouldn't teach them self-hate, depression and that sort of thing, but you can teach black and white kids to unite against those old patterns that have kept them separate, to have them work together, to teach them they are equals. I keep seeing too many excuses not to tackle racism, but that means it will continue to exist and hold new generations back. You don't solve problems by ignoring them. Of course you should also not solve them by making them worse. So you should absolutely look critically at the way in which kids are taught about this, but it's important to make kids aware that this is something that has held previous generations back, and they shouldn't be held back the same way. Sheltering kids from history is not going to make them learn from it, and as we know, people who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

mcv 6y ago

I don't think wanting to teach your kids to be racist, and keeping them away from ideas that might challenge that, is a very good reason to homeschool. It's important that kids grow up knowing that there are different people out there, with different backgrounds, different ideas, different skin colours, and indeed that some people have been treated differently in the past, and often still are. A too sheltered upbringing is not doing your kid any favours.

actfrench 6y ago
I've seen that many people are concerned that homeschooling would be less diverse than a traditional school environment. I've observed the opposite to be true, especially in secular homeschooling communities I've been a part of in NYC and San Francisco. Parents are homeschooling because they want to expose their child to a more diverse community - or they are joining a more inclusive community because they experienced discrimination in the school community they were a part of. I think that many families feel that designing their child's learning has paved the way for them to meet families from more diverse perspectives and backgrounds than they would in their school, join a more inclusive community that has space to be more conscientious about how they relate to each other and paves the way for them to include historical viewpoints that are not incorporated in many traditional schools. Of course, the opposite can also be true. It mostly depends on the parent's intention I've found. Some really great examples of diverse, inclusive homeschooling communities to give you a flavor for this are: SEA homeschoolers https://www.facebook.com/groups/seahomeschoolers/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/seahomeschoolers/ San Francisco Homeschooling and Unschooling Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/166286810672946/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/166286810672946/ HUGS SF https://www.facebook.com/groups/1931740383552142/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/1931740383552142/ New York City Homeschool Support https://www.facebook.com/groups/262047073979701/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/262047073979701/ Wildschooling https://www.facebook.com/groups/wildschooling/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/wildschooling/ Bay Area Homeschool Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/1537398423139116/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/1537398423139116/