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People who don’t want to exposed their non-technical family to the Wild West of Android.

romanoderoma 6y ago
That's just the tip of the iceberg https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/mar/11/my-kids-spent-600-on-their-ipads-without-my-knowledge https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/mar/11/my-kids-spent-...
- badsectoracula 6y ago
  Uh, that is about iPad, so Apple's walled garden didn't help. And kids shouldn't be able to buy things with their parents' cards, which is something completely unrelated to a platform being open or not.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    The problem is that once you go down the streets dressed as a Batman to do justice, you'll find a villian dressed as a penguin Apple store is not more secure because it's a walled garden, people will always find other ways to scam other people Apple could just make sideload possible declining responsibility It doesn't sound very hard to me, for a company like Apple which employ some of the best talents in the World
    - badsectoracula 6y ago
      Right but i do not think it is really about Apple having responsibility - it is about Apple being in control. For example, see how Apple is in total control on when iOS devices are obsolete by requiring some minimum version. You can't keep your device usable and useful by installing a program that supports it from another source, you can only install it from Apple and Apple's requirements limit the iOS versions you can target.
badsectoracula 6y ago
This is common FUD for Android, but i have non-technical family members and all of them use Android devices (because they were cheaper). I never had any of them complain about issues with their phones and Android doesn't exactly let you download stuff out of the box, you have to explicitly enable it and it pops up a scary warning whenever you do so. Yes, people can ignore that warning, but considering it is there and considering all the steps they have to make, at that point it is up to personal responsibility, not making the entire society worse to avoid telling non-technical people that they screwed up.
- braythwayt 6y ago
  Speaking of FUD, come now. Me choosing to buy an Apple or recommend Apple to my family doesn't "make the entire society worse."
  - badsectoracula 6y ago
    No, buying an Apple device doesn't make the entire society worse, however supporting devices that take away control from their users does make the entire society worse. After all that control doesn't disappear, it just moves to someone else's hands - and guess who has no say whose hands those will be.
    - braythwayt 6y ago
      I empathize with you. Certain products have network effects, and therefore, if you personally prefer product G to product A for whatever reason, the more people go with G instead of A, the more value you obtain. As a result, people often have a lot of incentive to try to get other people to make the same choices they make. This explains a lot of the jousting over frameworks: The more people use the framework you use, the more bug fixes, the more talent you can hire, the more courses, books, and blog posts you can depend upon, &c. Without agreeing with you that society as a whole is better off without Apple selling me a locked down device, I can certainly empathize with your desire for fewer people to make the choice I'm making.

That's just the tip of the iceberg https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/mar/11/my-kids-spent-600-on-their-ipads-without-my-knowledge https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/mar/11/my-kids-spent-...

badsectoracula 6y ago
Uh, that is about iPad, so Apple's walled garden didn't help. And kids shouldn't be able to buy things with their parents' cards, which is something completely unrelated to a platform being open or not.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  The problem is that once you go down the streets dressed as a Batman to do justice, you'll find a villian dressed as a penguin Apple store is not more secure because it's a walled garden, people will always find other ways to scam other people Apple could just make sideload possible declining responsibility It doesn't sound very hard to me, for a company like Apple which employ some of the best talents in the World
  - badsectoracula 6y ago
    Right but i do not think it is really about Apple having responsibility - it is about Apple being in control. For example, see how Apple is in total control on when iOS devices are obsolete by requiring some minimum version. You can't keep your device usable and useful by installing a program that supports it from another source, you can only install it from Apple and Apple's requirements limit the iOS versions you can target.

badsectoracula 6y ago

This is common FUD for Android, but i have non-technical family members and all of them use Android devices (because they were cheaper). I never had any of them complain about issues with their phones and Android doesn't exactly let you download stuff out of the box, you have to explicitly enable it and it pops up a scary warning whenever you do so. Yes, people can ignore that warning, but considering it is there and considering all the steps they have to make, at that point it is up to personal responsibility, not making the entire society worse to avoid telling non-technical people that they screwed up.

braythwayt 6y ago
Speaking of FUD, come now. Me choosing to buy an Apple or recommend Apple to my family doesn't "make the entire society worse."
- badsectoracula 6y ago
  No, buying an Apple device doesn't make the entire society worse, however supporting devices that take away control from their users does make the entire society worse. After all that control doesn't disappear, it just moves to someone else's hands - and guess who has no say whose hands those will be.
  - braythwayt 6y ago
    I empathize with you. Certain products have network effects, and therefore, if you personally prefer product G to product A for whatever reason, the more people go with G instead of A, the more value you obtain. As a result, people often have a lot of incentive to try to get other people to make the same choices they make. This explains a lot of the jousting over frameworks: The more people use the framework you use, the more bug fixes, the more talent you can hire, the more courses, books, and blog posts you can depend upon, &c. Without agreeing with you that society as a whole is better off without Apple selling me a locked down device, I can certainly empathize with your desire for fewer people to make the choice I'm making.