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Is the world just going to have to let China own itself to learn the hard way? Like, it just seems like a bad news generator and we constantly need to dance ar

Is the world just going to have to let China own itself to learn the hard way? Like, it just seems like a bad news generator and we constantly need to dance around the CCP trying to guide them appropriately with sanctions, and threats and incentives. I understand depleting the oceans would be catastrophic, but how is this regime ever going to learn? Honest question?

metalliqaz 6y ago
This question has been answered many times in the past. Through most of human history, it would have involved killing 80% of their young men and taking the women as slaves. I don't know where it will lead in the age of nuclear weapons.
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ephemeralism 6y ago
Ah yes, the age old question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Man%27s_Burden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Man%27s_Burden
dirtyid 6y ago
> bad news generator Well someone has to choose what bad news to highlight and how biased to highlight said news. For example, per capita, Taiwan and S.Korea have larger DWF fleets, Taiwan significantly so. Factor in EEZ and you get a good idea of why. China: 1400m ppl / 3000 dwf fleet / 900,000km2 eez (3.8m with disputes) Taiwan: 24m / 414 / 90,000km2 Japan: 162m / 162 / 4,500,000km2 S.Korea: 52m / 198 / 300,00km2 Spain: 47m / 65 / 1,000,000km2 https://www.stimson.org/wp-content/files/file-attachments/Stimson%20Distant%20Water%20Fishing%20Report.pdf https://www.stimson.org/wp-content/files/file-attachments/St... This EEZ map really explains a lot of tensions in these maritime disputes. https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7292/10134658063_fca4fc3da2_o.jpg https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7292/10134658063_fca4fc3da2_o...
- MagnumOpus 6y ago
  Except if you even read the first line of the article, China has an unreported additional DWF fleet of another 14,000 vessels.
  - dirtyid 6y ago
    I read the actual study. It counts any vessel that crossed out of Chinese EEZ during the year to be DWF which is a stupid metric. Further Chinese EEZ was undefined which is a gross oversight. Does the count include vessels operating in SCS within China's 9dash bounds? Obviously China wouldn't categorize vessels in her "domestic" waters are DWF. This distinction is as least worth a mentioning but the paper glosses over it entirely. It's typical lazy reporting based on poor research.
adrianN 6y ago
It's not like other countries do much better. China just makes the news a lot when it comes to the environment because there's a billion Chinese.

metalliqaz 6y ago

This question has been answered many times in the past. Through most of human history, it would have involved killing 80% of their young men and taking the women as slaves. I don't know where it will lead in the age of nuclear weapons.

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ephemeralism 6y ago

Ah yes, the age old question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Man%27s_Burden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Man%27s_Burden

dirtyid 6y ago

> bad news generator Well someone has to choose what bad news to highlight and how biased to highlight said news. For example, per capita, Taiwan and S.Korea have larger DWF fleets, Taiwan significantly so. Factor in EEZ and you get a good idea of why. China: 1400m ppl / 3000 dwf fleet / 900,000km2 eez (3.8m with disputes) Taiwan: 24m / 414 / 90,000km2 Japan: 162m / 162 / 4,500,000km2 S.Korea: 52m / 198 / 300,00km2 Spain: 47m / 65 / 1,000,000km2 https://www.stimson.org/wp-content/files/file-attachments/Stimson%20Distant%20Water%20Fishing%20Report.pdf https://www.stimson.org/wp-content/files/file-attachments/St... This EEZ map really explains a lot of tensions in these maritime disputes. https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7292/10134658063_fca4fc3da2_o.jpg https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7292/10134658063_fca4fc3da2_o...

MagnumOpus 6y ago
Except if you even read the first line of the article, China has an unreported additional DWF fleet of another 14,000 vessels.
- dirtyid 6y ago
  I read the actual study. It counts any vessel that crossed out of Chinese EEZ during the year to be DWF which is a stupid metric. Further Chinese EEZ was undefined which is a gross oversight. Does the count include vessels operating in SCS within China's 9dash bounds? Obviously China wouldn't categorize vessels in her "domestic" waters are DWF. This distinction is as least worth a mentioning but the paper glosses over it entirely. It's typical lazy reporting based on poor research.

adrianN 6y ago

It's not like other countries do much better. China just makes the news a lot when it comes to the environment because there's a billion Chinese.