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No one complains when a store posts the sign "no shoes no shirt no service" No one complains when a school has a dress code and someone is sent home for wearin

No one complains when a store posts the sign "no shoes no shirt no service" No one complains when a school has a dress code and someone is sent home for wearing "inappropriate attire" But there are an awful lot of complaints and concerns and discussions about freedom from people when asked to wear a mask, at least indoors. The problem is pretty simple - the oft used phrase "it should't be a partisan or political issue" is irrelevant because when one side the argument bases their beliefs strictly on the fact that they don't like the other side and will oppose everything not based on the merits of arguments and information but rather that they hate the other side, then EVERYTHING becomes partisan.

AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
> No one complains when a school has a dress code and someone is sent home for wearing "inappropriate attire" This statement is factually wrong. Both students and parents do complain about it. A lot. But getting back to masks question: should two consenting adults who are on the private property be allowed to take their masks off? What if one of them happens to be a business owner and the other one is a customer? Should every person over 18 be required to carry a condom in their pocket? The costs are small, the benefits are obvious. The science and the facts both support this.
- padseeker 6y ago
  You are clearly deliberately ignoring the point of my response. This is about community standards and political consensus. I'll stop presenting generalities and be more specific. You are clearing trying to quibble about minutia while ignoring the substance of my response. How the hell we're talking about wearing a mask when you are clearly a global warming denier is a little ridiculous but fine, here we go. You are right some college student might whine about having to wear shoes and a shirt, but no one stages a protest demanding that 7-11 sell that kid a soda without a shirt or shoes. There is no discussion over the rights and freedom of the individual to purchase something in any kind of store when someone isn't wearing proper attire. The ACLU, or perhaps an unnamed legal organization taking up this cause as an infringement of freedom. And generally conservatives in theory support most restrictions of behavior on private property. You want to refuse service or toss someone wearing an anti-war t-shirt from your store or mall? Every conservative has supported this. You are right, there have been some complaining and at times some legal action regarding enforcement of dress code. Private school is a voluntary thing, so I'm not discussing it. It is usually in a public school, and it could regard the content of text on a shirt or more often how much skin is being shown. The complaining/ or lawsuit filing side is generally from a more liberal side of the spectrum. I'm sure you can cite an example of a conservative wearing a shirt with a message that is deemed "offensive" or perhaps a racist who is banned from wearing a nazi symbol, but the overwhelming examples are generally of women wearing clothing that is deemed to be "too revealing or too sexual". No conservative wasted a moment worrying about the loss of freedom over banning underage girls wearing a crop top. My real point is NO CONSERVATIVE has worried about this kinda thing until it came to wearing a mask. Now all of the sudden the concern over infringement of freedom is an issue. Not wearing a mask is a health hazard, and 170K+ people have died because of the spread of COVID. No one died because some girl's dress is too short. If you can't see the point I'm trying to make, then let me be more explicit - your concern is over infringement of freedom because of a mask is completely unprincipled, which is a very nice way of me telling you I think you are full of shit. "Principles" that are used as arguments for suppressing laws and actions when it aligns with what you feel are wrong, and subjectively tossed aside for stuff you feel are right kinda proves they aren't principles. They're just an excuse to justify the things you want. You dont want to wear a mask, you cry "freedom", but some kid wears an anti war shirt, and you cite "private property". Based on your political arguments your alignment is transparent. Your example of every person being required to carry a condom is completely irrelevant.
  - AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
    You are clearly and deliberately pushing your political agenda and trying to accuse me in all deadly sins you can imagine. Apparently eating babies is not one of them, otherwise it would also have been on the list. > you are clearly a global warming denier Which of my words made you think that I'm denying global warming? I'm sincerely interested. > Not wearing a mask is a health hazard, and 170K+ people have died because of the spread of COVID... Your example of every person being required to carry a condom is completely irrelevant. More than 700 000 people have died from AIDS in the US. I don't understand why my example is less relevant than yours. > I think you are full of shit :)
    - padseeker 6y ago
      "Which of my words made you think that I'm denying global warming? I'm sincerely interested." >> "where the conservative side of politics have made climate change a massively politically polarised topic your comment >> "Not to side with either part, but it always takes two to tango..." Only someone who is trying to muddy the waters against the scientific evidence supporting global warming would use the words "it takes two to tango". You're saying if someone lies, and another person calls out that lie, and your response is "it takes two to tango"...

AlexTWithBeard 6y ago

> No one complains when a school has a dress code and someone is sent home for wearing "inappropriate attire" This statement is factually wrong. Both students and parents do complain about it. A lot. But getting back to masks question: should two consenting adults who are on the private property be allowed to take their masks off? What if one of them happens to be a business owner and the other one is a customer? Should every person over 18 be required to carry a condom in their pocket? The costs are small, the benefits are obvious. The science and the facts both support this.

padseeker 6y ago
You are clearly deliberately ignoring the point of my response. This is about community standards and political consensus. I'll stop presenting generalities and be more specific. You are clearing trying to quibble about minutia while ignoring the substance of my response. How the hell we're talking about wearing a mask when you are clearly a global warming denier is a little ridiculous but fine, here we go. You are right some college student might whine about having to wear shoes and a shirt, but no one stages a protest demanding that 7-11 sell that kid a soda without a shirt or shoes. There is no discussion over the rights and freedom of the individual to purchase something in any kind of store when someone isn't wearing proper attire. The ACLU, or perhaps an unnamed legal organization taking up this cause as an infringement of freedom. And generally conservatives in theory support most restrictions of behavior on private property. You want to refuse service or toss someone wearing an anti-war t-shirt from your store or mall? Every conservative has supported this. You are right, there have been some complaining and at times some legal action regarding enforcement of dress code. Private school is a voluntary thing, so I'm not discussing it. It is usually in a public school, and it could regard the content of text on a shirt or more often how much skin is being shown. The complaining/ or lawsuit filing side is generally from a more liberal side of the spectrum. I'm sure you can cite an example of a conservative wearing a shirt with a message that is deemed "offensive" or perhaps a racist who is banned from wearing a nazi symbol, but the overwhelming examples are generally of women wearing clothing that is deemed to be "too revealing or too sexual". No conservative wasted a moment worrying about the loss of freedom over banning underage girls wearing a crop top. My real point is NO CONSERVATIVE has worried about this kinda thing until it came to wearing a mask. Now all of the sudden the concern over infringement of freedom is an issue. Not wearing a mask is a health hazard, and 170K+ people have died because of the spread of COVID. No one died because some girl's dress is too short. If you can't see the point I'm trying to make, then let me be more explicit - your concern is over infringement of freedom because of a mask is completely unprincipled, which is a very nice way of me telling you I think you are full of shit. "Principles" that are used as arguments for suppressing laws and actions when it aligns with what you feel are wrong, and subjectively tossed aside for stuff you feel are right kinda proves they aren't principles. They're just an excuse to justify the things you want. You dont want to wear a mask, you cry "freedom", but some kid wears an anti war shirt, and you cite "private property". Based on your political arguments your alignment is transparent. Your example of every person being required to carry a condom is completely irrelevant.
- AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
  You are clearly and deliberately pushing your political agenda and trying to accuse me in all deadly sins you can imagine. Apparently eating babies is not one of them, otherwise it would also have been on the list. > you are clearly a global warming denier Which of my words made you think that I'm denying global warming? I'm sincerely interested. > Not wearing a mask is a health hazard, and 170K+ people have died because of the spread of COVID... Your example of every person being required to carry a condom is completely irrelevant. More than 700 000 people have died from AIDS in the US. I don't understand why my example is less relevant than yours. > I think you are full of shit :)
  - padseeker 6y ago
    "Which of my words made you think that I'm denying global warming? I'm sincerely interested." >> "where the conservative side of politics have made climate change a massively politically polarised topic your comment >> "Not to side with either part, but it always takes two to tango..." Only someone who is trying to muddy the waters against the scientific evidence supporting global warming would use the words "it takes two to tango". You're saying if someone lies, and another person calls out that lie, and your response is "it takes two to tango"...