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Uhm... good? A basic facility with lying is a fundamental social skill. Unless you intend for your children to be socially awkward / socially ineffective, lyin

Uhm... good? A basic facility with lying is a fundamental social skill. Unless you intend for your children to be socially awkward / socially ineffective, lying is necessary. The point, much like physical strength or any other sort of double-edged human ability, is to plug it into their broader moral framework, to guide when and for what purposes and to what degree.

whatshisface 6y ago
>lying is necessary. I hear this a lot but do you have any examples?
- mcv 6y ago
  Maybe it's that claim that's the necessary lie.
- wittyreference 6y ago
  https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0146167294203009 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/014616729420300... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1021369327584 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1021369327584 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0261927X95143003 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0261927X9514300... https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/11808412/personality_and_deception_ability.pdf?1333524318=&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3Dpersonality_and_deception_ability.pdf&Expires=1597709290&Signature=bYCPQJp3hVjya45DtwmgBt3fn4rwbymulzQwATmRjlQzmNjJLCmeivMj1JxfQO3icOXWfK67Gxsf12XQ~3jpeyz42QcHxzuOS2T7Ajuc4GL~ErA1kpKNTMMkHzTOL~3dvraFbxnbx--rajEaICgN4ezqmP92MyEtXtj6MNdVpE5K~cbb-kWt7g6DAvgqsgsOvLDrufMaGzfApcjHTN3QaxjIi9fRmuZzVEZx-WLxK7kYUImg9D4KQnTFp8rIhPnzwCGgH1yfYaNLOu9YfsyVdk-4wjEfkvKF2eGTGPuY3FShs~4qjGFHOO4K4iug47nwYjosGgkrHQUBhe66vx3tVA__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/11808412/personality_a... This was like, five minutes on google scholar. I'm not going to pretend it's a slam dunk "here's a paper from the esteemed Harvard Professor of Lying-is-Awesome, presenting the grand unified theory of 'deceptiveness and social skills are overlapping traits'," but it's pretty much the null hypothesis.
  - whatshisface 6y ago
    I could probably find evidence of a high correlation between Football performance and performance in a medieval swordfight, but does that mean it's necessary to stab people? Obviously people who have better social skills are better at deception, and for that matter people with more general intelligence are better at it. What I'm looking for is an example of a case where deception is "necessary," not useless or destructive.

whatshisface 6y ago

>lying is necessary. I hear this a lot but do you have any examples?

mcv 6y ago
Maybe it's that claim that's the necessary lie.
wittyreference 6y ago
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0146167294203009 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/014616729420300... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1021369327584 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1021369327584 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0261927X95143003 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0261927X9514300... https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/11808412/personality_and_deception_ability.pdf?1333524318=&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3Dpersonality_and_deception_ability.pdf&Expires=1597709290&Signature=bYCPQJp3hVjya45DtwmgBt3fn4rwbymulzQwATmRjlQzmNjJLCmeivMj1JxfQO3icOXWfK67Gxsf12XQ~3jpeyz42QcHxzuOS2T7Ajuc4GL~ErA1kpKNTMMkHzTOL~3dvraFbxnbx--rajEaICgN4ezqmP92MyEtXtj6MNdVpE5K~cbb-kWt7g6DAvgqsgsOvLDrufMaGzfApcjHTN3QaxjIi9fRmuZzVEZx-WLxK7kYUImg9D4KQnTFp8rIhPnzwCGgH1yfYaNLOu9YfsyVdk-4wjEfkvKF2eGTGPuY3FShs~4qjGFHOO4K4iug47nwYjosGgkrHQUBhe66vx3tVA__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/11808412/personality_a... This was like, five minutes on google scholar. I'm not going to pretend it's a slam dunk "here's a paper from the esteemed Harvard Professor of Lying-is-Awesome, presenting the grand unified theory of 'deceptiveness and social skills are overlapping traits'," but it's pretty much the null hypothesis.
- whatshisface 6y ago
  I could probably find evidence of a high correlation between Football performance and performance in a medieval swordfight, but does that mean it's necessary to stab people? Obviously people who have better social skills are better at deception, and for that matter people with more general intelligence are better at it. What I'm looking for is an example of a case where deception is "necessary," not useless or destructive.