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> > Google will not be required to share any additional user data with Australian news businesses You misquoted the legislation. It says that the digital platf

> > Google will not be required to share any additional user data with Australian news businesses You misquoted the legislation. It says that the digital platform must provide to the news organisations: > a list and explanation of the data that the digital platform service collects (whether or not it shares the data with the registered news business) A _list and explanation of_ the data. Not the data itself. > The ACCC here is straight up lying. No, they really aren't.

zmmmmm 6y ago
I am not sure why you are saying this when every word I cited is literally copied and pasted from the draft legislation? You have cited section 52M(b) as if that is the only clause in that section, ignoring 52M(a) which I have exactly quoted from. Why are you ignoring that subsection?
- chrismorgan 6y ago
  “How you can gain access to [SECRET THING]: you can’t.” “How you can gain access to [SECRET THING]: court order.” Given that (2)(a) says “whether or not it shares the data”, it would be bizarre for (2)(e) to mean: “oh by the way, remember that thing from clause (a) that you don’t share (and that we were totally fine with you not sharing)? You’ve got to share it now”.
  - zmmmmm 6y ago
    I think it's equally bizzare to say in (2)(e) that the platform must provide "information about how the registered news business corporation can gain access to the data" and not have a reasonable interpretation of that be that this means it is required to actually provide access to the data. At best it's horrifically badly worded - at worst, deliberately confusing, as if written by a lobbyist. I interpret (2)(a) to mean, "whether or not it [currently] shares the data". If the ACCC wanted this to be interpreted as they have written in their press release just now, perhaps they could try putting those words into the actual bill?
    - chrismorgan 6y ago
      I agree it could do with rewording for clarification.
- RVuRnvbM2e 6y ago
  > I am not sure why you are saying this when every word I cited is literally copied and pasted from the draft legislation? With plenty of ellipses between them, sure! > You have cited section 52M(b) as if that is the only clause in that section, ignoring 52M(a) which I have exactly quoted from. Why are you ignoring that subsection? There is no section 52M(b) or (a). What are you talking about?
  - hesarenu 6y ago
    52M has 3 sections 1,2,3 which have even further sub-sections. 52M -> 1 -> (a) information covered by subsection (2) is given to the registered news businesscorporationfor the registered news business; and etc... 52M -> 2 -> (a) a list andexplanation of the data that the digital platform servicecollects(whether or not it shares the datawith the registered news business)about the registerednews business’users through their engagement with covered news content made available by the digital platform service etc...
  - zmmmmm 6y ago
    > There is no section 52M(b) or (a). Apologies, everything I am referencing is within 52M section 2.
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zmmmmm 6y ago

I am not sure why you are saying this when every word I cited is literally copied and pasted from the draft legislation? You have cited section 52M(b) as if that is the only clause in that section, ignoring 52M(a) which I have exactly quoted from. Why are you ignoring that subsection?

chrismorgan 6y ago
“How you can gain access to [SECRET THING]: you can’t.” “How you can gain access to [SECRET THING]: court order.” Given that (2)(a) says “whether or not it shares the data”, it would be bizarre for (2)(e) to mean: “oh by the way, remember that thing from clause (a) that you don’t share (and that we were totally fine with you not sharing)? You’ve got to share it now”.
- zmmmmm 6y ago
  I think it's equally bizzare to say in (2)(e) that the platform must provide "information about how the registered news business corporation can gain access to the data" and not have a reasonable interpretation of that be that this means it is required to actually provide access to the data. At best it's horrifically badly worded - at worst, deliberately confusing, as if written by a lobbyist. I interpret (2)(a) to mean, "whether or not it [currently] shares the data". If the ACCC wanted this to be interpreted as they have written in their press release just now, perhaps they could try putting those words into the actual bill?
  - chrismorgan 6y ago
    I agree it could do with rewording for clarification.
RVuRnvbM2e 6y ago
> I am not sure why you are saying this when every word I cited is literally copied and pasted from the draft legislation? With plenty of ellipses between them, sure! > You have cited section 52M(b) as if that is the only clause in that section, ignoring 52M(a) which I have exactly quoted from. Why are you ignoring that subsection? There is no section 52M(b) or (a). What are you talking about?
- hesarenu 6y ago
  52M has 3 sections 1,2,3 which have even further sub-sections. 52M -> 1 -> (a) information covered by subsection (2) is given to the registered news businesscorporationfor the registered news business; and etc... 52M -> 2 -> (a) a list andexplanation of the data that the digital platform servicecollects(whether or not it shares the datawith the registered news business)about the registerednews business’users through their engagement with covered news content made available by the digital platform service etc...
- zmmmmm 6y ago
  > There is no section 52M(b) or (a). Apologies, everything I am referencing is within 52M section 2.
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