That is a most excellent response, and I agree with everything you say, including how and why that bit comes across nastily. Ta for that, I really must learn to

That is a most excellent response, and I agree with everything you say, including how and why that bit comes across nastily. Ta for that, I really must learn to be less of a tosser. > rare young person trying to be an achiever you can almost be sure he's mocked and bullied by his peers Yes. Someone on the web (maybe here, maybe slashdot) said that when someone tries, they're seen as trying to get above their station. Consequences follow. I spent a couple of years on a sink estate in the UK as a kid. I know what it does to people.