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coldest july in many places around the world: "local temperature is not climate!" one place has a temporary record: "definite proof of climate change!" I know

coldest july in many places around the world: "local temperature is not climate!" one place has a temporary record: "definite proof of climate change!" I know climate change is a real issue, but I can see how the media machine is helping in producing skeptics oh, and the dogmatic aspect of it all as well, where even skirting on the _side_ of the _very real_ communication problem gets heavily downvoted

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icebraining 6y ago
That's a strawman of the article, nowhere does it claim this reading is proof of climate change.
- LoSboccacc 6y ago
  > Scientists have found that the intensity, duration and frequency of heat waves worldwide are increasing due to human-caused climate change. A 2019 study found the planet has entered a “new climate regime” with “extraordinary” heat waves that global warming is worsening. they're definitely making the connection. did you read the article?
  - icebraining 6y ago
    They not saying "this reading show climate change is true", they're saying "climate change (which is an accepted theory in the field) predicts readings like these will become more common".
    - LoSboccacc 6y ago
      that's just bog standard plausible deniability, when a journalist put two things in a single page you know damn well they want the reader to make the connection and fill in the dot for them, and apparently it works since there's people white knighting for them, which circles me back to the initial topic: it's so damn easy to manipulate people to defend opinions not theirs, it's a wonder society can still function under this constant siege.
      - icebraining 6y ago
        Of course they're making a connection, I didn't deny that. I'm saying that connection goes the other way. But if you're going to discount anyone who disagrees with you as just "manipulated", there's no point in keeping this discussion. Have a nice day.
kristopolous 6y ago
The "media machine" isn't helping produce skeptics, a significant percentage of people will always believe in nonsense. Astrology, homoeopathy, telepathy, seances, conspiracy theories; the world in awash in centuries old nonsense. You can't produce evidence, proof, arguments, or rationalization to assuage these people of their beliefs, they are stubborn in them. Same with climate change denialists. The ONLY problem is we give them a voice. We don't say have a metrologist and a fortune teller on to hear both sides of a forecast but there's still an insistence on having some climatologist who knows what they are talking about and some random hothead who works at a PR firm for Exxon when talking about climate change for the viewer to "decide". Nonsense! It takes years of specialized study, the viewer isn't qualified to decide, that's the media's job, to not put on PR spinster horseshit and claim it as potentially valid. There will always be large pool of nonsense. We need to stop dipping our toes into it and amplifying those voices in critical urgent issues such as climate change. We don't have the time for the bullshit. For all the talk we do about "bold disruptive innovation" it's all nonsense, we are propping up industries that are killing the planet through nonstop bullshit because we don't want to rock the boat too much on power and profit structures.

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icebraining 6y ago

That's a strawman of the article, nowhere does it claim this reading is proof of climate change.

LoSboccacc 6y ago
> Scientists have found that the intensity, duration and frequency of heat waves worldwide are increasing due to human-caused climate change. A 2019 study found the planet has entered a “new climate regime” with “extraordinary” heat waves that global warming is worsening. they're definitely making the connection. did you read the article?
- icebraining 6y ago
  They not saying "this reading show climate change is true", they're saying "climate change (which is an accepted theory in the field) predicts readings like these will become more common".
  - LoSboccacc 6y ago
    that's just bog standard plausible deniability, when a journalist put two things in a single page you know damn well they want the reader to make the connection and fill in the dot for them, and apparently it works since there's people white knighting for them, which circles me back to the initial topic: it's so damn easy to manipulate people to defend opinions not theirs, it's a wonder society can still function under this constant siege.
    - icebraining 6y ago
      Of course they're making a connection, I didn't deny that. I'm saying that connection goes the other way. But if you're going to discount anyone who disagrees with you as just "manipulated", there's no point in keeping this discussion. Have a nice day.

kristopolous 6y ago

The "media machine" isn't helping produce skeptics, a significant percentage of people will always believe in nonsense. Astrology, homoeopathy, telepathy, seances, conspiracy theories; the world in awash in centuries old nonsense. You can't produce evidence, proof, arguments, or rationalization to assuage these people of their beliefs, they are stubborn in them. Same with climate change denialists. The ONLY problem is we give them a voice. We don't say have a metrologist and a fortune teller on to hear both sides of a forecast but there's still an insistence on having some climatologist who knows what they are talking about and some random hothead who works at a PR firm for Exxon when talking about climate change for the viewer to "decide". Nonsense! It takes years of specialized study, the viewer isn't qualified to decide, that's the media's job, to not put on PR spinster horseshit and claim it as potentially valid. There will always be large pool of nonsense. We need to stop dipping our toes into it and amplifying those voices in critical urgent issues such as climate change. We don't have the time for the bullshit. For all the talk we do about "bold disruptive innovation" it's all nonsense, we are propping up industries that are killing the planet through nonstop bullshit because we don't want to rock the boat too much on power and profit structures.