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Forget Google Drive. Just run Nextcloud on your own VPS. I put mine on a digitalocean VPS and it costs me $5 a month for ~20GB of storage. Nextcloud has great

Forget Google Drive. Just run Nextcloud on your own VPS. I put mine on a digitalocean VPS and it costs me $5 a month for ~20GB of storage. Nextcloud has great sync clients for linux, iPhone and Windows. (It has clients for Mac and Android too, although I've never used them.) And google doesn't get access to my data or metadata. [1] https://nextcloud.com https://nextcloud.com

DoctorNick 6y ago
Hope you've properly secured it, because if not, everyone will have access to your data and metadata.
- timmytokyo 6y ago
  I have. I set up an iptables firewall rule that allows access only from my home IP.
  - mmahemoff 6y ago
    Don't you want to access it from your phone when mobile?
    - timmytokyo 6y ago
      If I need access while I'm away from home, I go through my home VPN. This is what I do on my cell phone.
      - CameronNemo 6y ago
        Why not just buy a NAS and keep it at home? You would get way more than 20 GB.
        timmytokyo 6y ago
        This would be a good idea if I had decent upload bandwidth from home. When I'm on my cell phone, I'm generally syncing smaller things.
        klyrs 6y ago
        Does your home VPN not have the same bandwidth limitation?
    - INTPenis 6y ago
      There are OpenVPN clients for android that I use to access private LAN resources. But I have in fact also left my nextcloud on the web. I'm not that worried. Just have to stay informed on any big vulns, and I also stay as many releases as I can behind the bleeding edge. That helped me avoid the recent fidokey issue.
      - ta17711771 6y ago
        What was that issue? Link?
znkynz 6y ago
How many 9's of durability do you think this is?
- foepys 6y ago
  As if you desperately need 99.9999% in your private life. Let's be realistic here. If you need it for business, pay for it and go to AWS, Backblaze, GCP, Dropbox, etc.
  - drpebcak 6y ago
    This is kind of a weird statement to make.. if I have photos, important documents, etc.. why would I not pay 5 extra dollars a month to host them on a service that offers more durability than I can guarantee doing it myself? It’s not like it’s so prohibitively expensive that only a business could do it.
  - edoceo 6y ago
    DO has a backup option that works, is cost effective.
sammy2244 6y ago
That’s a pretty pathetic amount of storage for $5 a month
- timmytokyo 6y ago
  Well it's a VPS that I use for more than just nextcloud. And I don't use all the storage I already pay for. If I needed more, I could pay $0.10 per GB for additional storage Google drive and dropbox are better deals for storage, so I can see why they'd be attractive for people who need more.
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  - bb88 6y ago
    So that would be $100 per terabyte/mo. So I'm not sure that's an awesome deal. A 250GB SSD is what? 30$ these days? You could buy a lot of SSD's for that over the course of a year, and have the storage local.
ryandrake 6y ago
Exactly... you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem.
- zelly 6y ago
  Didn't someone make a comment like this about Dropbox?
  - Rebelgecko 6y ago
    Yup: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863 Sidenote: Look how tiny that item ID is in the URL!
- amanzi 6y ago
  Well played!
- wiether 6y ago
  Nice one !
truncate 6y ago
For $10 you can get Dropbox (2 TB) data, so I dunno if saving that $5 is worth it in this case. You get the Linux client, and far more reliability in every aspect. I think, if I really would want to go setting up my own thing to save money, setting/writing some service backed by object storage (AWS S3) would be cheaper and reliable enough.
- CameronNemo 6y ago
  Does Dropbox Linux client still support filesystems other than ext4? https://itsfoss.com/dropbox-linux-ext4-only/ https://itsfoss.com/dropbox-linux-ext4-only/
  - timmytokyo 6y ago
    The last-straw motivating reason I switched to nextcloud was because dropbox decided they wouldn't let me sync my files to an ecryptfs file system. (I believe they recanted on this policy a few months later.) I didn't like being held hostage to their bad design decisions, so I left and found a solution that worked better for me. Dropbox has also had some serious security vulnerabilities [1], which left me feeling less than confident in their ability to manage my personal data. [1] https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/06/21/dropbox-lets-anyone-log-in-as-anyone/ https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/06/21/dropbox-lets-any...
    - pdmccormick 6y ago
      Thanks for the heads up, I see this confirmed at https://help.dropbox.com/installs-integrations/desktop/system-requirements#linux https://help.dropbox.com/installs-integrations/desktop/syste... under the list of supported file systems on Linux (which is currently ext4, zfs and xfs on 64 bit systems, eCryptFS backed by ext4, and btrfs).
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  - saghm 6y ago
    Yes; I've been using Dropbox with btrfs on Arch Linux for a month or two now. According to the Arch wiki[1], Dropbox added support back for ZFS, ecryptfs, XFS, and btrfs a little over a year ago (around seven months after they initially dropped support for everything other than ext4 on Linux). That being said, I had been using Nextcloud on a DigitalOcean droplet for a couple years before that, and I never had any issues with it. The only reason I switched back to Dropbox was that Google announced earlier this year they were getting rid of Google Play Music, and I had a bunch of music uploaded from CDs on there that I wanted to back up, and I would have ended up needing to pay more per month for the storage on a DigitalOcean instance to fit all the music than the $10/month that Dropbox charges for 2 TB. [1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dropbox#Using_Dropbox_with_non-ext4_filesystems https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dropbox#Using_Dropbox_w...
abiogenesis 6y ago
Not sure if a VPS is the best infrastructure for this. S3+encryption might be a better choice.
- timmytokyo 6y ago
  There are no cross-platform sync clients for this, as far as I'm aware.
  - thayne 6y ago
    depending on what you mean by "cross-platform", rclone might fit the bill.
29athrowaway 6y ago
Google Drive is $9.99 for 100 GB.
- blntechie 6y ago
  Office 365 with 1TB of OneDrive is $99/yr I think? It’s about ~$49/yr in my country and even though I hate to deal with OneDrive compared to Dropbox, can’t beat the price as I anyway buy Office 365.
- pheug 6y ago
  Actually for 10 bucks a month you get unlimited google drive via gsuite. 10TB over here and counting. Unbeatable value proposition for hoarders On the thread's subject, I use rclone to access it - works great.
  - liamwestray 6y ago
    Uhh, link? I pay $10 a month for gsuite and its 115gb max.
    - pheug 6y ago
      https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en/pricing.html https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en/pricing.html You need your own domain and set up GSuite Business account on it or a subdomain. Included in the offer: Google Drive - Unlimited cloud storage. The "or 1TB per user if fewer than 5 users" bit is not technically enforced. Even if it were, I think $60/month is still very competitive if you need to store dozens of terabytes. Sticker price currently $12/month but there are also discounted offers available if you look for them
  - xtracto 6y ago
    I use rclone mount option and it works well enough but it is clunky.
- robjan 6y ago
  I think you mean $9.99 for 1TB
Hamuko 6y ago
Nextcloud syncing works like shit for me and the client apps don't impress. I'm planning on dumping it for Google Drive soon enough (since I don't need Linux support) since at least it's cheaper.
- akvadrako 6y ago
  Exactly - Nextcloud is just WebDAV. No diffs, no smart change tracking, no duplication. Dropbox is the best syncing solution technically, though GDrive is probably competitive.
dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
I put mine on Hetzner and it costs me below €24 for 3 TB (2x3TB HDDs in RAID 1). I consider €8/TB/month is a decent price to pay.
throwaway9d0291 6y ago
There are also quite cheap hosted instances of Nextcloud from Hetzner: https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share
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DoctorNick 6y ago

Hope you've properly secured it, because if not, everyone will have access to your data and metadata.

timmytokyo 6y ago
I have. I set up an iptables firewall rule that allows access only from my home IP.
- mmahemoff 6y ago
  Don't you want to access it from your phone when mobile?
  - timmytokyo 6y ago
    If I need access while I'm away from home, I go through my home VPN. This is what I do on my cell phone.
    - CameronNemo 6y ago
      Why not just buy a NAS and keep it at home? You would get way more than 20 GB.
      - timmytokyo 6y ago
        This would be a good idea if I had decent upload bandwidth from home. When I'm on my cell phone, I'm generally syncing smaller things.
        klyrs 6y ago
        Does your home VPN not have the same bandwidth limitation?
  - INTPenis 6y ago
    There are OpenVPN clients for android that I use to access private LAN resources. But I have in fact also left my nextcloud on the web. I'm not that worried. Just have to stay informed on any big vulns, and I also stay as many releases as I can behind the bleeding edge. That helped me avoid the recent fidokey issue.
    - ta17711771 6y ago
      What was that issue? Link?

znkynz 6y ago

How many 9's of durability do you think this is?

foepys 6y ago
As if you desperately need 99.9999% in your private life. Let's be realistic here. If you need it for business, pay for it and go to AWS, Backblaze, GCP, Dropbox, etc.
- drpebcak 6y ago
  This is kind of a weird statement to make.. if I have photos, important documents, etc.. why would I not pay 5 extra dollars a month to host them on a service that offers more durability than I can guarantee doing it myself? It’s not like it’s so prohibitively expensive that only a business could do it.
- edoceo 6y ago
  DO has a backup option that works, is cost effective.

sammy2244 6y ago

That’s a pretty pathetic amount of storage for $5 a month

timmytokyo 6y ago
Well it's a VPS that I use for more than just nextcloud. And I don't use all the storage I already pay for. If I needed more, I could pay $0.10 per GB for additional storage Google drive and dropbox are better deals for storage, so I can see why they'd be attractive for people who need more.
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- bb88 6y ago
  So that would be $100 per terabyte/mo. So I'm not sure that's an awesome deal. A 250GB SSD is what? 30$ these days? You could buy a lot of SSD's for that over the course of a year, and have the storage local.

ryandrake 6y ago

Exactly... you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem.

zelly 6y ago
Didn't someone make a comment like this about Dropbox?
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  Yup: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863 Sidenote: Look how tiny that item ID is in the URL!
amanzi 6y ago
Well played!
wiether 6y ago
Nice one !

truncate 6y ago

For $10 you can get Dropbox (2 TB) data, so I dunno if saving that $5 is worth it in this case. You get the Linux client, and far more reliability in every aspect. I think, if I really would want to go setting up my own thing to save money, setting/writing some service backed by object storage (AWS S3) would be cheaper and reliable enough.

CameronNemo 6y ago
Does Dropbox Linux client still support filesystems other than ext4? https://itsfoss.com/dropbox-linux-ext4-only/ https://itsfoss.com/dropbox-linux-ext4-only/
- timmytokyo 6y ago
  The last-straw motivating reason I switched to nextcloud was because dropbox decided they wouldn't let me sync my files to an ecryptfs file system. (I believe they recanted on this policy a few months later.) I didn't like being held hostage to their bad design decisions, so I left and found a solution that worked better for me. Dropbox has also had some serious security vulnerabilities [1], which left me feeling less than confident in their ability to manage my personal data. [1] https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/06/21/dropbox-lets-anyone-log-in-as-anyone/ https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/06/21/dropbox-lets-any...
  - pdmccormick 6y ago
    Thanks for the heads up, I see this confirmed at https://help.dropbox.com/installs-integrations/desktop/system-requirements#linux https://help.dropbox.com/installs-integrations/desktop/syste... under the list of supported file systems on Linux (which is currently ext4, zfs and xfs on 64 bit systems, eCryptFS backed by ext4, and btrfs).
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- saghm 6y ago
  Yes; I've been using Dropbox with btrfs on Arch Linux for a month or two now. According to the Arch wiki[1], Dropbox added support back for ZFS, ecryptfs, XFS, and btrfs a little over a year ago (around seven months after they initially dropped support for everything other than ext4 on Linux). That being said, I had been using Nextcloud on a DigitalOcean droplet for a couple years before that, and I never had any issues with it. The only reason I switched back to Dropbox was that Google announced earlier this year they were getting rid of Google Play Music, and I had a bunch of music uploaded from CDs on there that I wanted to back up, and I would have ended up needing to pay more per month for the storage on a DigitalOcean instance to fit all the music than the $10/month that Dropbox charges for 2 TB. [1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dropbox#Using_Dropbox_with_non-ext4_filesystems https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dropbox#Using_Dropbox_w...

abiogenesis 6y ago

Not sure if a VPS is the best infrastructure for this. S3+encryption might be a better choice.

timmytokyo 6y ago
There are no cross-platform sync clients for this, as far as I'm aware.
- thayne 6y ago
  depending on what you mean by "cross-platform", rclone might fit the bill.

29athrowaway 6y ago

Google Drive is $9.99 for 100 GB.

blntechie 6y ago
Office 365 with 1TB of OneDrive is $99/yr I think? It’s about ~$49/yr in my country and even though I hate to deal with OneDrive compared to Dropbox, can’t beat the price as I anyway buy Office 365.
pheug 6y ago
Actually for 10 bucks a month you get unlimited google drive via gsuite. 10TB over here and counting. Unbeatable value proposition for hoarders On the thread's subject, I use rclone to access it - works great.
- liamwestray 6y ago
  Uhh, link? I pay $10 a month for gsuite and its 115gb max.
  - pheug 6y ago
    https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en/pricing.html https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en/pricing.html You need your own domain and set up GSuite Business account on it or a subdomain. Included in the offer: Google Drive - Unlimited cloud storage. The "or 1TB per user if fewer than 5 users" bit is not technically enforced. Even if it were, I think $60/month is still very competitive if you need to store dozens of terabytes. Sticker price currently $12/month but there are also discounted offers available if you look for them
- xtracto 6y ago
  I use rclone mount option and it works well enough but it is clunky.
robjan 6y ago
I think you mean $9.99 for 1TB

Hamuko 6y ago

Nextcloud syncing works like shit for me and the client apps don't impress. I'm planning on dumping it for Google Drive soon enough (since I don't need Linux support) since at least it's cheaper.

akvadrako 6y ago
Exactly - Nextcloud is just WebDAV. No diffs, no smart change tracking, no duplication. Dropbox is the best syncing solution technically, though GDrive is probably competitive.

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago

I put mine on Hetzner and it costs me below €24 for 3 TB (2x3TB HDDs in RAID 1). I consider €8/TB/month is a decent price to pay.

throwaway9d0291 6y ago

There are also quite cheap hosted instances of Nextcloud from Hetzner: https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share

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