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It's obnoxious to approach such a complicated domain with the attitude that you are right and people who are thriving are wrong.

yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
The problem is that people who are sleep-deprived tend to believe they are "thriving" (or at least "feeling fine") when they are very much not.
- ineedasername 6y ago
  If they're happy and productive and generally satisfied with their life, I'd call that thriving. If they're struggling, occasionally (or more) depressed, unproductive or unmotivated, lack meaningful social interactions... Sleep could be an issue. Or it could be the depression that is in turn causing the sleep and other issues. These things are complex.
  - watwut 6y ago
    Here is key: > "You are gaining weight, not finishing your work, and you had a car accident last week." And I have seen this in play. Otherwise smart person coding stupid things, saying stupid things, getting overly emotional and angry over stupid things all the while proudly claiming the 6 hours a night are enough for him. And blaming everyone and everything for all the problems, just not himself. And everyone else is unhappy due to consequences. And him unhappy due to constant conflicts he is in that he does not really understands. But like, those were totally not his fault, they were everyone elses fault.
- peteforde 6y ago
  You can downvote me all you want, but the before and after for my lived experience speak far louder than your petty retribution. I have come to notice that many people seem personally offended by the very idea that sleep is not a one-size-fits-all scenario. As I explained elsewhere in this thread, after fighting ever-present grogginess for my entire adult life, I switched to a 20 up / 7 down schedule six months ago. My output has doubled, my depression has gone away, I have more energy for exercise and I crave sugar and carbs far less. You should do what works for you instead of getting upset when something different works incredibly well for me.
  - tonyedgecombe 6y ago
    You can downvote me all you want @yjftsjthsd-h can't downvote you at all, HN doesn't allow you to downvote replies to your own posts.
- MaximumYComb 6y ago
  It wasn't a sleep issue but I felt like I was thriving when I was doing 4 hours of hard exercise per day. I burnt myself so hard I went down with glandular fever that then led into a year of post viral fatigue (chronic fatigue). I'm much more sensible now and listen to my body.
joesb 6y ago
I think OP was just saying that even if the article were true, it didn't mean that someone who claim to be one of those people actually were.
- projektfu 6y ago
  Yep

yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago

The problem is that people who are sleep-deprived tend to believe they are "thriving" (or at least "feeling fine") when they are very much not.

ineedasername 6y ago
If they're happy and productive and generally satisfied with their life, I'd call that thriving. If they're struggling, occasionally (or more) depressed, unproductive or unmotivated, lack meaningful social interactions... Sleep could be an issue. Or it could be the depression that is in turn causing the sleep and other issues. These things are complex.
- watwut 6y ago
  Here is key: > "You are gaining weight, not finishing your work, and you had a car accident last week." And I have seen this in play. Otherwise smart person coding stupid things, saying stupid things, getting overly emotional and angry over stupid things all the while proudly claiming the 6 hours a night are enough for him. And blaming everyone and everything for all the problems, just not himself. And everyone else is unhappy due to consequences. And him unhappy due to constant conflicts he is in that he does not really understands. But like, those were totally not his fault, they were everyone elses fault.
peteforde 6y ago
You can downvote me all you want, but the before and after for my lived experience speak far louder than your petty retribution. I have come to notice that many people seem personally offended by the very idea that sleep is not a one-size-fits-all scenario. As I explained elsewhere in this thread, after fighting ever-present grogginess for my entire adult life, I switched to a 20 up / 7 down schedule six months ago. My output has doubled, my depression has gone away, I have more energy for exercise and I crave sugar and carbs far less. You should do what works for you instead of getting upset when something different works incredibly well for me.
- tonyedgecombe 6y ago
  You can downvote me all you want @yjftsjthsd-h can't downvote you at all, HN doesn't allow you to downvote replies to your own posts.
MaximumYComb 6y ago
It wasn't a sleep issue but I felt like I was thriving when I was doing 4 hours of hard exercise per day. I burnt myself so hard I went down with glandular fever that then led into a year of post viral fatigue (chronic fatigue). I'm much more sensible now and listen to my body.

joesb 6y ago

I think OP was just saying that even if the article were true, it didn't mean that someone who claim to be one of those people actually were.

projektfu 6y ago
Yep