I am not deliberately avoiding the connects. However I find interest in your passive-aggressive tone and that your working for a company with an agenda to take

I am not deliberately avoiding the connects. However I find interest in your passive-aggressive tone and that your working for a company with an agenda to take over the internet; so it seems, it goes hand in hand. Maybe I read your comment wrong but I take it as your assuming myself as masochistic and indie-dev, if so, please get terminology correct and call me cynical because I despise all; if not everything as I see "indie" as a fail of a word within internet terminology. My philosophy is you should always build your own rather then jumping on the next bandwagon. You should always try to reinvent the wheel with your own tools but hey, what ever floats the boat. I loathe using github, I loathe instragram, facebook, et cetera. I run my infrastructure for what I think is for the good of the internet. I've been working as SysAdmin, SysOp, NetAdmin with colocatation of my own servers to ensure I have my own open internet space. I know how much work is required, it's not an easy quest and I know how shit the internet has become since the age of 13 when I had my first dedicated server at 14; I'm 31. But that's just my view and how I was brought up because frameworks did not exist back then. You made a product and then offered that for free. Infamously PHPNuke for CMS, e107, PHPBB. But Google doesn't even make it easy to work with. Almost as they don't want other people to operate the internet outside of their territory. So lets ignore what I wrote. I wrote it without thought and more as a grunt as it is a Sunday, 1:24am (now 2:25am). I've not got the strongest skills in debate otherwise I would be a politician and in the morning I will probably face palm. So lets just jump to your questions and save the internet bandwidth. I'll agree to disagree. > What is the walled garden you're accusing Google of creating? I am accusing google of creating an closed ecosystem of google objects. Objects known as Gmail, GCloud, GAmp, YouTube, GplayStore, Adsense, Google Mobile Phones to name a few. that record, monitor, collect and sell users information for profit without knowledge of the user. A walled garden is just a modern buzz word for "closed platform" which is where the service provider controls the data and data flow within. To which Google fits the criteria. Some of them are services created are to provide the user and I would argue they lay a foundation of a trap to encourage the user to a following that google would like. Such as - Requiring to have a account for all services - Google using the private data of these services with partnerships to create custom answers for the user - Captcha Got to stop robots somehow, but when its repeated for on every page by a service that google offers because your IP range isn't within Google's liked list. Most site use this service, which I'm sure you would argue is the owners choice. > How does an open standard allow Google to create it? Because someone has to create the standard in the first place. I could create a new protocol and brand it as open standard. The standards that google have are not open in the sense of transparency and that I feel are used for mistrust. They exist, you can use it for yourself, but the standard they created were forcefully to push everyone else in the same way I am tired and want bed, it shows in this message. There is no point in continuing this debate because I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. I'm sure you'll take the stance of "I won" because that's the type of person you are. But I dislike google, Google is destroying the internet those too blind to see it, I pity them. What I've seen from the age of 13 to what I've seen now is not innovation its destruction. It's just regurgitated shite. I'll agree to disagree, because I have my own views which I don't have time spending hours upon to make them expressible. I said my dues, good night.