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I think it is disingenuous to expect me to post rigorously cited studies and contrasting my response to the original article, when I was instead responding to s

I think it is disingenuous to expect me to post rigorously cited studies and contrasting my response to the original article, when I was instead responding to some conjecture made in this thread. Mostly with a personal anecdote, with some sources mirroring and expanding on such. I also think a lot of your points are made in bad faith: * Taking a joke way too serious, in order to discredit the author. Based on what exactly? * Implying transition health care is sold for large profit margins when estradiol is one of the cheapest medications around (and blockers don't exactly have high margins either). Zinnia is also not a health care provider. All these drugs are Rx. * Doing the exact bad faith "as gospel" misreading of the symptom list zinnia warned against. This is not a diagnostic check list, these are just the things that trans people report. * You also miss the entire point, that these symptoms resolve or get substantially better, and do not recur. * You are seemingly content with "generic depression" as a diagnosis when depression is a symptomatic diagnosis, usually with different underlying problems. Especially at the severity we're talking about. * You misread depersonalization as borderline. This is funny because a different diagnosis that is corelated to trans status, CPTSD, is often misdiagnosed as BPD! Of course you can say she has a heavy bias, but neither I nor she implied otherwise. It is simply documentation of our experiences.

fxtentacle 6y ago
I don't expect you to provide references as part of our discussion. Just your well-argued opinion is enough to move the thread along. But I find Zinnia problematic because her playing researcher has the potential to cause harm to others. Plus I wasn't referring to her joke, I was referring to the part where she attempted to shame cis guys into not excluding trans women, which is obviously useful for her, but also obviously manipulative and if she was successful, it might make other people unnecessarily unhappy. Since she gave interviews about it, I am also reasonably confident that it wasn't a joke. I would say it is fair to judge a self-proclaimed activist by their actions, and hers were of the kind that I would not be able to support her statements in good conscience, even though I support the cause of treating everyone fairly in general.
- sascha_sl 6y ago
  Zinnia is entitled to her opinion, and at no point was anything in her article implied to adhere to scientific standards. It's a discussion piece, and a piece that might be helpful for those that are considering transition. Usually HN is not so hot on theoretical harm that speech can cause. It also has nothing to do with the content of the article, so I'd appreciate if you didn't try to disregard her speech with unrelated information, so to speak cancel her. I don't believe in cancel culture being real, but the last time someone on HR pointed out someone was a TERF they got dead-flagged, so better not go there. Anyway, if you just wanted more studies, you could've just let me known. I was not expecting to be attacked on the impact factor or size of the citation pool - I was aiming to provide a study with an easy to read abstract, but have a few studies that are strong in at least one of those factors. Neurology: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2754583/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2754583/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022395610003250?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00223... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022395610001585 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00223... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4585501/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4585501/ And the "transition is beneficial" master list: https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/ https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equali...

fxtentacle 6y ago

I don't expect you to provide references as part of our discussion. Just your well-argued opinion is enough to move the thread along. But I find Zinnia problematic because her playing researcher has the potential to cause harm to others. Plus I wasn't referring to her joke, I was referring to the part where she attempted to shame cis guys into not excluding trans women, which is obviously useful for her, but also obviously manipulative and if she was successful, it might make other people unnecessarily unhappy. Since she gave interviews about it, I am also reasonably confident that it wasn't a joke. I would say it is fair to judge a self-proclaimed activist by their actions, and hers were of the kind that I would not be able to support her statements in good conscience, even though I support the cause of treating everyone fairly in general.

sascha_sl 6y ago
Zinnia is entitled to her opinion, and at no point was anything in her article implied to adhere to scientific standards. It's a discussion piece, and a piece that might be helpful for those that are considering transition. Usually HN is not so hot on theoretical harm that speech can cause. It also has nothing to do with the content of the article, so I'd appreciate if you didn't try to disregard her speech with unrelated information, so to speak cancel her. I don't believe in cancel culture being real, but the last time someone on HR pointed out someone was a TERF they got dead-flagged, so better not go there. Anyway, if you just wanted more studies, you could've just let me known. I was not expecting to be attacked on the impact factor or size of the citation pool - I was aiming to provide a study with an easy to read abstract, but have a few studies that are strong in at least one of those factors. Neurology: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2754583/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2754583/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022395610003250?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00223... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022395610001585 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00223... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4585501/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4585501/ And the "transition is beneficial" master list: https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/ https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equali...